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I'm impressed how you jumped from me using a reasonable commonsense estimate (deceptive people tend to be less trustworthy) to conclusion that I must be anti-science. Reminds of the droning crowds who claimed in March 2020 that masks don't work "because there is no supporting research".
Cheating on a spouse has nothing to do with deception, it only becomes deception if they don't tell their spouse about it afterwards. If a person did cheat on their spouse and told their spouse about it then that is a sign to me that I can trust what the person say. I wont be able to trust that they can control themselves in the moment, but at least I'll trust that they will tell me about important things.
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But if I hear that someone was unfaithful to their spouse, my business trust in them goes waaay down. > If they're willing to break trust with the person closest to them in their life, what chance do I have as a mere business partner of not being screwed over at some point? That's a very American perspective. People position on extramarital affair is extremely culturaly dependant. It goes from deep public revulsion…
No, it’s not a uniquely American perspective. Generally humans (not all) value things like fairness and truth. Many will toss those to the side in the pursuit of things like money and power, but it’s pretty universal that screwing people over is viewed poorly.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
But women file for custody. Multiple states already have 50/50 being default custody. Also, filing does not costs "hundreds of thousands". That is just not true. Poor people have those hearings and while it costs money, it costs significantly less.
Where are your stats from?
This discussion requires the same standards for all arguments, and no appeals to authority.
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#194If you have much to do with family court you'd fully understand why suicide is a way out for men treated like sources of money with little other value. It would be quite educational for all men to attend family court as an observer prior to marriage. They might reconsider marriage as an institution altogether. Society itself might have to realise how badly things are set up. Maybe not. Everything's fine. Enjoy your s…
Yeah, it's disgusting. It makes men feel worthless and expendable.
> It would be quite educational for all men to attend family court as an observer prior to marriage.
Absolutely. I did exactly that. I could not believe what I was seeing at first. Could fill up this entire thread with stories.
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#195As a recently ( Obviously therapy is a good first resource and then working on yourself going forward is a good strategy but man, I can totally understand how some men are obliterated when children are involved and the other spouse is out for blood. I consider myself lucky that it happened before I got too old, had children and who knows what other things could have happened but damn, it still hurts.
> I can totally understand how some men are obliterated when children are involved and the other spouse is out for blood
Happened to a friend of mine and I thank my lucky star every day that we kept things civil. Men in particular have a lot to lose.
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#196Decline of marriage, high divorce rate, increasing single parent rate, inflation/wage stagnation, young men increasingly 'opting out' and sexless, doesn't sound good for the future. The relationship market in the West seems horribly broken, not good at all if you want a thriving happy society.
Unless a declining population is good for future prosperity. If you force a continuation of replacement rate births or even growth, but most of those humans are economically worthless, you'll drag down your whole society.
It's good for the perpetuation of your nation. There is no nation without people. There is no people without natalism.
> most of those humans are economically worthless
Is economic value the only measure of a human being's worth? What a terrifying world we live in these days...
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#197Very short background:
* Wife abusive from the beginning
* Sexless marriage as she refused
* Beating herself up for years
* She's not earning (highly qualified)
* Did not take care of child or home either
* Tried to frame me however I figured and escaped
* Living separately now
* She filed false and frivolous violence complaint against me
* Not letting me meet my child
* Court granted overly high alimony/maintenance to her
* Lawsuits running delayed due to the pandemic
* She is failing to supply evidence for her case
* Is not even honoring prior court orders
* I have and am diligently filing everything
* Lot more has happened, above is just a summary
Yet, the system is failing to do due diligence and is so far against me nevertheless. I do have good lawyers helping.
I can connect with many comments here on the OP, some of which say that no action is taken against women even if it is proven that they were blatantly lying.
I am facing degradation of cognitive abilities due to prolonged stress, some of which seem permanent.
I am losing trust over the legal system. Marriage as a notion itself feels wrong.
I have little interest left in life other than wishing for justice and taking care of the teenage child. Thoughts of suicide come and go. I have been taking professional help.
Separately:
* I am very reputed in my circles for my honesty and talents and am seen as a role model.
* They share quotes from self-help books -- That it's all meant for good ultimately, trouble is intended by the divine to strengthen good people, it's a beautiful life after all.
* I do recognize that many people are worse off with not even food to eat.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it gets ugly the bias in favor of women gets stronger. All of this is anedoctal but in my experience I saw many women willing to use false accusations of violence knowing it was a win win. They knew they wouldn't be punished even if it was proven the accusations were false. And that is a powerful tool to get custody. And of course for younger children the custody to the mother is often enshrined into law directly.
And then there are men who are violent or abusive and neither cops nor courts believe the woman. Those are not rare at all. Both situations happen.
Someone will be hurt, or by the actions of a member of the second group or by the societal actions to protect the second group.
I just wish the compromise was clear and we abandoned the kind of puritanical thinking that we "ought to protect group X" no matter what. We need to talk, qualitatively and quantitatively, about all the sides of the coin.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can also take preventive measures, establish an offshore company and move all your assets on that. Move money in off-shore accounts. If you have nothing under your name, nothing can be taken from you.
The IRS might look at this strategy differently, and they might have more resources than your (ex) partner.
The IRS does not care about what structure you use, they only care about compliance. It is very useful to reframe your understanding of the IRS. They are not really adversaries, they will even help you set up this stuff even though they are aware it undermines their own name of revenue. Remember, its only Congress that cares and even then they are pretending. The perception of the IRS comes from most people's interaction with the IRS: retroactive enforcement of a penalty at the least convenient time. Leading cash-poor people to want to hide from the IRS, leading to greater vulnerability.
By reporting taxes to the IRS or filing reports to the Treasury (their parent agency), yes, it may seem counterintuitive that you are associating yourself with additional properties to the literal government. But that doesn't inherently create consequences to other branches of the government, judges, or private creditors, it also doesn't mean they those other parties get to know about it.
Finally, one last thing to remember, obfuscating the existence or movement of money is not illegal. Its another reason why the IRS doesn't care about anyone's convoluted structure of companies and trusts around the world, because they are not illegal and neither are most transactions between them. A money laundering charge, for example, requires an illicit origin of funds. So it can only be a tacked on charge after the government has discovered the origin and the origin was illicit. As such, using your own legally earned money post-tax money and sheltering it in a convoluted way garners no issue from the IRS. And if it earns a little bit, you can still report and pay taxes on it. Also, the new thing in this century is that you also don't need a bank account to hold liquid assets under these organization's names, therefore nuking the Treasury/FinCEN report of foreign bank accounts when that was part of the strategy.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where are your stats from?
Where are your 10 lawyers stats from? You realize that lawyers can just be repeating the same thing they found on google? Which could simply be a quote from a forum like this one. This discussion requires the same standards for all arguments, and no appeals to authority.
Irrelevant - I didn't present it as stats applicable to the populate, I presented it as "10 lawyers I spoke to".
Parent presented the 50/50 statistic as a fact, I want to know where he read that.