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Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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While I agree with your guess of "failure of automated tools", the streams being back up is only partially helpful; much of the damage is done, and it will further polarization because more people now feel persecuted.

> While I agree with your guess of "failure of automated tools", the streams being back up is only partially helpful; much of the damage is done, and it will further polarization because more people now feel persecuted. If people react to a glitch that way, I'd argue that the damage had been done before the glitch.

> If people react to a glitch that way, I'd argue that the damage had been done before the glitch.

True, a few years ago I had clearly cut them slack and today I feel like a jackass for being so naive about it back then.

It is not irreparable I think, and I don't think of Google as a comic supervillain, on fact in some ways they are way better than everyone else.

I do not however cut them any slack anymore like I used to.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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I literally just searched Rittenhouse on Facebook.

Interesting. Perhaps they fixed the automation glitch now that it has been called out. Still broken for "kyle rittenhouse" however.

More than likely whatever limiter was put in place hasn't been handled cleared yet. Facebook has a bunch of "safety" systems to stop abuse.

Like, say, a bunch of people searching for a single person's name, finding people named that, and harassing them.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

#533

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While I agree with your guess of "failure of automated tools", the streams being back up is only partially helpful; much of the damage is done, and it will further polarization because more people now feel persecuted.

> While I agree with your guess of "failure of automated tools", the streams being back up is only partially helpful; much of the damage is done, and it will further polarization because more people now feel persecuted. If people react to a glitch that way, I'd argue that the damage had been done before the glitch.

I hope you - and every other HN reader - realizes that "normal people" don't realize most of the shit running this whole grand experiment we call the Internet, and especially social media, relies extensively upon automation.

A lot of "normies" think there's someone actively at a computer, doing all this stuff.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

#534

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Considering the streams are back up, this seems more like a failure of automation and reporting tools than a grand conspiracy.

That is almost certainly what happened. Google's systems are lazy and automatic, reading into it further is trying to create patterns where none exist. Chances are he got mass reported for whatever dumb thing, valid or not, and Google's system tripped without any human review. This after all is the same company and system that banned influential YouTubers for impersonating themselves, after all.

> without any human review

Therein lies the problem.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

#535

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> I'm talking about normal ice cubes. They can inflict bodily harm. If you used it as a weapon, it's a weapon. There aren't generally enhanced criminal charges for non-deadly weapons, however — that's usually just charged as assault. > With 'serious', does that mean you're suggesting a different definition from the one you quoted? No, I'm tying this question back to the actual law. > Remember that my original objecti…

> They transform from unarmed to armed when they arm themselves with an object they intend to use as a weapon. That makes sense if they intended to use it as a weapon. What if they didn't? > This is very simple, well-established law. Mens rea makes sense for certain crimes. I would not say someone is 'armed' or 'not armed' based on intent. > Google "mens rea". You're not going to beat a charge with the argument of "I…

> A baseball bat at least is pretty dangerous when used as intended. So is a car. A skateboard isn't, and an ice cube isn't.

If you claim to not see the similarity between a skateboard and a baseball bat in terms of the potential for serious bodily harm, you're either lying to us to keep this tepid, boring argument on life-support, or just lying to yourself.

> The legal system wouldn't implode if it was just 'assault'.

You don't think assault with a deadly weapon is a more serious crime than simple assault?

So you'd charge and punish a shove identically to hitting someone with a skateboard?

Fascinating. I don't believe you.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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>We have a justice system if there are crimes like that. And robust self-defense laws for when someone poses an immediate threat and there's not enough time to go to law enforcement to help. >The GP said they were laughing and celebrating it, that's quite different from 'aren't feeling much sympathy for someone dying'. It's called "understatement." To be clear, the death of such a person, especially if it is while th…

Isn't it illegal for 17 year olds to carry assault rifles and point them at others (prior to the incident where life wasn't threatened) as admitted in court. > To be clear, the death of such a person, especially if it is while they are in the process of trying to assault and/or kill someone (which the evidence clearly shows) is in fact something to be celebrated. The world is a better place for his absence from it. I…

> It might also be the result of provocation by someone open carrying around an assault rifle in public

First off, there's no such thing as an "assault" rifle, there's just a "rifle". Stop using idiotic terms made up morons who don't know shit about weapons.

Second, provoking someone who's openly carrying a firearm... yeah, that sounds like a good idea.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

#537

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It's not. Most hunting rifles for e.g. deer rifles fire larger caliber rounds than the rifle in question in the case. Perhaps you're being sarcastic, but "big" does not necessarily mean "more deadly", nor does "big" actually apply to this rifle.

Thank you for the explanation (genuinely). I wasn't exactly being sarcastic, though - my interest is in the messaging that this gun carries when wielding it in a urban environment during a riot.

> the messaging that this gun carries when wielding it in a urban environment during a riot.

The "messaging"??

The only thing wrong with the "messaging" was that every single citizen of Kenosha didn't show up with AR-15s to ensure all of the out-of-towners weren't able to burn down anything, or try to assault anyone.

If you can spend time to riot, you can spend time filling out resumes for a job. I don't have time to fucking riot... I'm too busy working. These people should have been too. You wanna make the world better for people? Tell them to stop committing sexual assault and stealing people's SUVs. If Jacob Blake hadn't been doing those things, he wouldn't have had a warrant out for his arrest, he wouldn't have been shot for trying to go for his knife, Kenosha wouldn't have had rioting, Joseph Kiddiediddler and Dumbshit Skaterboi would still be alive, the prosecution's star witness would still have his bicep, and Kyle Rittenhouse wouldn't be in this mess.

Amazing how two people had to die, and two others had their lives ruined, and we had hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage, all because a black man in Kenosha thinks he doesn't have to obey the law, only to find out very dramatically that he will in fact obey the law.

It's almost like obeying society's law results in a harmonious society!

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

#538
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What does this piece of misdirection have to do with the fact that this channel promoted - falsely - anti-vaccine myths and in doing so made TOS-violating statements? It is clear that government and corporation are both largely morally devoid institutions in the modern age, but this doesn't even rely on any traditional sense of trust. The data is published and we can see what it does and doesn't do, and if you want t…

>The data is published and we can see what it does and doesn't do See my last link

Yes, a link suggesting 1k of 44k participants in the Pfizer Phase III trials were not well monitored and had other logistical issues does not surprise me. It does not concern me either; have you seen the reduced IFR post vaccination? It is not like 2% of 1/3 vaccines phase III participants is even a notable amount of the data. Like I said, if this type of thing is enough for you to go forward and claim that the whole thing is a lie, I think you’re creeping into some very dumb territory.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

#539

The streams are back up. Yet, this thread quickly devolved into a discussion about the grand conspiracy to censor instead of the repeated failure of automated tools and the ease at which they're abused.

It's very sad to see how people blame and thrash services like youtube instead of respecting the fact that all of it is provided absolutely free of cost.

I'm quite sure that I'm actually paying for YouTube.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

#540

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> Archive is removed? Huh? What does archiving have to do with anything? What seems to have happened is someone is confusing the Washington Post for the New York Times in a way that leaves a misleading impression in this thread. It's like if you're talking about your software engineer friend Denny, and someone responds with a criticism of some software engineer named Eric like he's talking about the same person.

The parent comment to the subject of my response established the scope of this discussion as including legacy media in general, one comment invoked the NYT, and I can bring up another publication as well. The general point is that there are plenty of subtle ways to present/disseminate new that allows bias to seep through. In this example the WP reported it in the least effective way possible - as an edit to an existi…

> The parent comment to the subject of my response established the scope of this discussion as including legacy media in general, one comment invoked the NYT, and I can bring up another publication as well.

I suppose you can, but your comment needed a better transition to make it clear what you were doing. The original comment brought CNN's coverage of a topic (in an unverifiable way) to make a general claim that "mainstream media lies, constantly and blatantly." Someone responded that the NYT article is a counterexample to that claim, and you quoted that link but started randomly talking about a Washington Post headline without even mentioning the publication's name, which made it seem like you were talking about the NYT's headline.

> In this example the WP reported it in the least effective way possible - as an edit to an existing article that most people would never revisit.

What else would you have them do? I see this kind of criticism often, but when I actually think about what would satisfy the critic vs. the other users of the product, it seems like a situation where one users wants the product tailored to their unusual wants in a way that would degrade user experience for the bulk of other users or would require an investment that would be hard to justify, e.g.:

1. Headlining errata on the front page: that would be annoying and take space away from what 99.999% of users are actually looking for (today's news as of now).

2. Featuring errata prominently in the actual article: again, it's annoying because 99.999% of users want to read today's news as of now, not errata.

3. Article version control accessible to the users: relatively expensive, and 99.999% of users don't care and would never use it. Even if they have some internal version, my guess there's all kinds of unpublishable or unpolished stuff in the history that they're now going to have to edit for publication.

4. Issuing corrected articles, keeping the erroneous ones online: now you have different links flying around for more-or-less the same stuff, but the most popular ones are likely the early ones with errors. Even if you put a link to the correction, most people want to read the best version, and the links aren't taking them there.

5. Etc.

> I bring this up to support the argument in the parent comment to the one I responded to, this example betrays a blatant and willful intent to misrepresent the facts on the part of at least this one member of the mainstream media.

That's obviously false, since the claim is incoherent when applied to your example. If it were true, why would they have bothered to correct the headline? If they had a "blatant and willful intent to misrepresent the facts" wouldn't they have kept the initial headline because it "misrepresented the facts"? In reality, the corrected the headline, which is evidence that they don't indent to "misrepresent the facts."

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