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Post by teakettle42 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #375
YeBanKo wrote: post #365

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How is it objectively incorrect, if he pretty much quoted a direct speech verbatim? At least one of them hit Rittenhouse with a skateboard, so he was armed.

If you're calling a skateboard a weapon I'm going to take everything you say with a mountain of salt.

A skateboard, when used as a weapon, is a deadly weapon.

weapon, n: a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.

Does a skateboard have other innocent purposes, to which it is generally put to use? Of course — that’s generally why skateboards are brought to riots.

It provides plausible deniability during the times when you’re not using it to hit people in the head with a deadly weapon.

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Post by naasking »

jacobolus wrote: post #243
S_A_P wrote: post #184

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I’m surprised how blantant the narrative pushing is orchestrated. This example happened the other day on NBC news(main channel). So regardless of your stance on ivermectin, this is what played the other day: Aaron Roger’s used ivermectin at the advise of Joe Rogan. Ivermectin is oftentimes used a horse dewormer. Return from Pfizer commercial. Pfizer has announced a new Covid antiviral drug that combines mRNA therapy…

> I don’t know if Ivermectin is effective for Covid or not. From what I have heard it seems like looking into it with an unbiased lens may be worth it. People did look into this with an unbiased lens (did dozens of medical studies, many still ongoing) and so far there is no good evidence that it has any beneficial effect whatsoever. On the other hand now a bunch of people have overdosed from taking veterinary doses n…

> People did look into this with an unbiased lens

Not really.

> On the other hand now a bunch of people have overdosed from taking veterinary doses not intended for human consumption (there have been thousands of calls to poison control centers about Ivermectin in the past few months, and some have died).

You're falling for sensationalized propaganda. If you read the CDC advisory, there was only a five fold increase over the pre-pandemic baseline [1]. The pre-pandemic baseline for ivermectin poisoning is absurdly low.

> Some of these snake-oil salespeople may have direct financial interest

You mean like the financial interests of pharma companies who would prefer a treatment that wasn't off patent? If we're going to use financial incentives to infer credibility, pharma loses on this question hands down every time.

The truth is that the pharmacokinetics of ivermectin closely match Pfizer's new anti-COVID drug [2] (3CL protease inhibition).

[1] https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/2021/han00449.asp

[2] https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2021/cp/d1cp0296...

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by naasking »

duskwuff wrote: post #435
loonster wrote: post #323

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> On the other hand now a bunch of people have overdosed from taking veterinary doses not intended for human consumption Maybe the solution to this is to allow OTC sales of human grade Ivermectin. The drug is one of the safest in the world. No reasonable reason to deny the drug if someone wants it.

> The drug is one of the safest in the world. This is not true at all. Ivermectin has some nasty neurological effects (vertigo, seizures, blindness) at high doses.

Water can also cause death at high doses (hyponatremia). Literally everything can. The difference between medicine and poison is in the dosage, so saying ivermectin is not safe because it causes health issues at high doses isn't really saying anything.

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Post by Jensson »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #438
Jensson wrote: post #433

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People die if you hit them with in the head with a fist sized rock, that is what is required for something to be a deadly weapon. A metal rimmed skateboard can deal more damage than a rock so it is a deadly weapon.

I can understand that, and see my other response https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29236031 , but even so... How many people, if you asked "Do you have any weapons in your backyard?", would say "Yes, several rocks."

But if someone charged at you holding a rock ready to swing it high, would you fear for your life? Almost surely, yes, you should fear for your life in that situation.

This isn't about possession but about a confrontation. A person with a rock wont get caught by police and taken to court over owning a weapon. But a person swinging the rock around and charging at people will get charged for attacking people with a deadly weapon. And in this situation the question is "Was it reasonable to fear for your life?", then the second definition is used.

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Post by LordDragonfang »

hasdf wrote: post #423
LordDragonfang wrote: post #398

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>that he was trying to beat kyle to death with. So, let's continue to clarify the facts. I went and found the video of the incident, and you're stretching the truth to the point of being disingenuous. Here's the video (obvious warning, it has footage of Rittenhouse shooting his victims) https://files.catbox.moe/ayaw6u.mp4 Considering he never even swings it at Rittenhouse, and merely has it in his hand when he tries…

?? you can clearly see him hitting kyle with the skateboard at around 15 seconds here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iryQSpxSlrg

That's the same video I linked. He makes contact with the board, yes, but he basically just lands on Rittenhouse. It's not like the After going frame by frame, on the youtube version, though, Hubor does pull his arm back slightly, so I'm no longer as confident that there's absolutely no wind-up.

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Post by naasking »

belltaco wrote: post #207
S_A_P wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m surprised how blantant the narrative pushing is orchestrated. This example happened the other day on NBC news(main channel). So regardless of your stance on ivermectin, this is what played the other day: Aaron Roger’s used ivermectin at the advise of Joe Rogan. Ivermectin is oftentimes used a horse dewormer. Return from Pfizer commercial. Pfizer has announced a new Covid antiviral drug that combines mRNA therapy…

It all depends on the scientific evidence in the highest quality large clinical trials. Ivermectin has failed to show benefit, the Pfizer drug has. >I don’t care if it is effective or not so much as I don’t think news and corporate interest should drive the national opinion. Even more frightening is that a lot of people who think that don't have the same opinion on things like these that are way worse than anything N…

> Ivermectin has failed to show benefit, the Pfizer drug has.

Ivermectin has failed to be seriously studied, while the patentable drug got a good study out of the gate. I wonder why.

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Post by perl4ever »

phone8675309 wrote: post #324
perl4ever wrote: post #279

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The target audience for the "MSM is evil and brainwashing you" line also is fooled because they do not read more than headlines, based on the dialogue right here.

Congratulations, you have independently discovered the fact that no side has a monopoly on being a complete fucking idiot.

'...there was Yossarian with the question that had no answer: "Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?"'

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Post by lazide »

belltaco wrote: post #207
S_A_P wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m surprised how blantant the narrative pushing is orchestrated. This example happened the other day on NBC news(main channel). So regardless of your stance on ivermectin, this is what played the other day: Aaron Roger’s used ivermectin at the advise of Joe Rogan. Ivermectin is oftentimes used a horse dewormer. Return from Pfizer commercial. Pfizer has announced a new Covid antiviral drug that combines mRNA therapy…

It all depends on the scientific evidence in the highest quality large clinical trials. Ivermectin has failed to show benefit, the Pfizer drug has. >I don’t care if it is effective or not so much as I don’t think news and corporate interest should drive the national opinion. Even more frightening is that a lot of people who think that don't have the same opinion on things like these that are way worse than anything N…

Brazil as less politicized around Covid? Really?! Bolsanaro hyper-politicized it even more than Trump, even accusing the governors of using it to try to make him look bad.

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Post by ryan93 »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #421
hollerith wrote: post #370

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I agree with you: let us not leave anything important out. Many young men were following Rittenhouse, yelling things like "Get him" and "Beat him up". I sensed a lot of dangerous emotions in the videos, in the sound of the voices and the movements of the bodies. Some say that those yelling "get him" merely wanted to makes sure than Rittenhouse did not escape legal accountability (for Rittenhouse's shooting minutes ea…

>Since Rittenhouse was walking down the middle of a wide brightly-lit street towards a line of cops, it is probably not the case that those yelling "stop him" merely wanted to make sure that Rittenhouse did not escape legal accountability (for Rittenhouse's shooting minutes earlier of Rosenbaum). Considering that these were protest against the police , it's not reasonable to assume that the people present had any fai…

The protests days before this were against the police. This night it was all rioters who showed up just to cause trouble

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by Dylan16807 »

teakettle42 wrote: post #441
Dylan16807 wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're calling a skateboard a weapon I'm going to take everything you say with a mountain of salt.

A skateboard, when used as a weapon, is a deadly weapon. weapon, n: a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage. Does a skateboard have other innocent purposes, to which it is generally put to use? Of course — that’s generally why skateboards are brought to riots. It provides plausible deniability during the times when you’re not using it to hit people in the head with a deadly weapon.

If we go with that definition, and nothing else, then imagine "one of them threw an ice cube at someone, so he was armed". It's a thing used to inflict bodily harm in that context, but calling it "a weapon" seems crazy to me.
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