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Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by LordDragonfang » Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 2:19 AM UTC

hollerith wrote: post #370

LordDragonfang wrote: post #351

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>compare the actual unedited testimony of Gaige Grosskreutz, who admitted on the stand that Rittenhouse did not fire until Gaige's Glock 17 was pointed directly at Kyle's head You mean Rittenhouse did not fire at Gaige until Gaige's Glock 17 was pointed directly at Kyle's head. Rittenhouse had just opened fire on two unarmed men, killing one of them. Kind of a major omission to make when you're accusing "the mainstre…

I agree with you: let us not leave anything important out. Many young men were following Rittenhouse, yelling things like "Get him" and "Beat him up". I sensed a lot of dangerous emotions in the videos, in the sound of the voices and the movements of the bodies. Some say that those yelling "get him" merely wanted to makes sure than Rittenhouse did not escape legal accountability (for Rittenhouse's shooting minutes ea…

>Since Rittenhouse was walking down the middle of a wide brightly-lit street towards a line of cops, it is probably not the case that those yelling "stop him" merely wanted to make sure that Rittenhouse did not escape legal accountability (for Rittenhouse's shooting minutes earlier of Rosenbaum).

Considering that these were protest against the police, it's not reasonable to assume that the people present had any faith in the police force, no.

>someone hit him on the head with a skateboard and grabbed his gun

Hit him on the shoulder. And after watching the video about ten times, it's looks like he stumbled and landed on Rittenhouse with the board, rather than actually swinging it. Unfortunately, we only have a few frames blurry video and Rittenhouse's word on the matter, since Rittenhouse shot and killed the man immediately.

edit: It looks like you edited your comment after I opened it to respond to make it more factual. Most of what I said above still applies, but I will point out the fact that, by your own admission, Hubor was attempting to disarm Rittenhouse "in the same motion" he made contact with his skateboard, but you insist he was at the same time swinging for the head show just how much opportunity there is to twist the facts of the case to suit whatever narrative you want to spin.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 2:20 AM UTC

ryantgtg wrote: post #310

hn8788 wrote: post #285

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It wasn't "waaay out of his way" though, and he was also there helping provide first aid. It's also mindblowing that you think that him being threatened and chased by a convicted child rapist (the first person he shot), then running away and only shooting again when people were trying to kill him when he fell on the ground, aren't important details.

Like I said, I haven’t followed this, so I do not know what your last sentence is about (and thus your mind is unjustifiably blown). That said, I can respond solely to the details you provided: you seem to be implying that Kyle was at risk of being raped by this guy if caught. That is certainly scary! Do you think Kyle was unaware of the dangerous situation he created simply by virtue of carrying that weapon in that…

"The wanting to shoot shoplifters statement still feels very relevant to me, despite you ignoring it."

It is going to sound like a very radical position, but burning a city to the ground does not sound like mere shoplifting to me.

That a kid may have said something stupid is a possibility, but you can throw a rock in this crowd and find examples of speech that is not exactly bolstering their cause. In fact, if you do end up going through court records, you will find defense quoting one of the 'victims' saying some of those stupid things. There are no good guys here.

BUT.

There is a clear case of self-defense. And that is all that matters. If I can't defend myself from a mob going at me, something is wrong with current society.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by hasdf » Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 2:20 AM UTC

LordDragonfang wrote: post #398

hasdf wrote: post #368

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kind of like how you fail to admit that one of the two 'unarmed' men was armed with a skateboard that he was trying to beat kyle to death with. Kind of a major omission to make when you're accusing your fellow commentators of lying by omission

>that he was trying to beat kyle to death with. So, let's continue to clarify the facts. I went and found the video of the incident, and you're stretching the truth to the point of being disingenuous. Here's the video (obvious warning, it has footage of Rittenhouse shooting his victims) https://files.catbox.moe/ayaw6u.mp4 Considering he never even swings it at Rittenhouse, and merely has it in his hand when he tries…

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you can clearly see him hitting kyle with the skateboard at around 15 seconds here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iryQSpxSlrg

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by Dylan16807 » Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 2:21 AM UTC

YeBanKo wrote: post #420

Dylan16807 wrote: post #407

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If hitting with just the right angle on a hard bit is good enough to count then half the things on my desk are deadly weapons. I can't get behind that definition.

Then don’t. You can continue denying common sense. But if someone threatens to assault you with a skateboard, bare hand or an item from your desk, then will intuitively discover the difference.

Is that the bar? Anything more effective than fists, even if just by preventing the attacker from being hurt, is a deadly weapon?

My normal desktop items could break skulls too, I'm pretty sure. And the pens, oof...

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by jay3ss » Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 2:21 AM UTC

_yoqn wrote: post #355

vkou wrote: post #306

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It would significantly help your point if the conspiracies you were citing were not plain old unsubstantiated bullshit. I, too have a laptop containing damning evidence about , and no, I uh, won't show it to anyone, because I'm scared of the deep state. But I'm not so scared of the deep state that I will keep silent about it. I am at an incredibly particular level of scared. That nobody takes me seriously is, of cour…

> It would significantly help your point if the conspiracies you were citing were not plain old unsubstantiated bullshit. What's unsubstantiated about it? Jack Dorsey admitted he censored the story from the New York Post incorrectly and only after the election did they reinstate the ability to share the article. The computer shop owner who had the laptop had the signed receipt from Hunter Biden. Hunter himself admitt…

Do you have a source for this?

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by t0suj4 » Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 2:22 AM UTC

Latty wrote: post #322

caseysoftware wrote: post #291

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> They have paid settlements and plead guilty for causing harm through their sting attempts and disinformation multiple times. I saw that they pled guilty to trespassing but have otherwise won all their completed defamation cases. Do you have a source/list of which cases they pled guilty to "misinformation" or similar?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_c... > In March 2013, O'Keefe settled the case with Vera, paying Vera $100,000. He tried to entrap someone for human smuggling. The guy immediately reported it to the police, but O'Keefe released edited footage anyway. > The video releases were heavily edited to feature only the worst or most inappropriate statements of the various ACORN employees and to omit…

If a settlement in 2013 is the only thing you could find, he's got pretty good track record.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by cassac » Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 2:25 AM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #385

YeBanKo wrote: post #384

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Not me, but courts. Not just a weapon, but a deadly weapon.

Courts aren't automatically reasonable. You're endorsing the classification. Fists can do just as much damage as a skateboard.

You must be joking or have not done many things where people swing things at you. 100% of the time in a random “get hit in the head taste test” I would choose a fist.

Aluminum bats don’t weigh much either but I’m not going to go out of my way to have my head in the path of one.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 2:27 AM UTC

I have said it at the very beginning of this case. As much as I hate cameras everywhere, this is the one time, I am so glad everyone can see exactly what happened. There is no 'he said, she said'. We can all see what happened from multiple angles ( including FBI drone ).

If that is the case, it goes down to the 'narrative'. Was the Kyle a poor kid trying to get away from vicious mob and killing in self-defense, a blood-thirsty vigilante with ties white supremacist movement, or something in between?

A lot of people have already decided. At this point, I am just waiting to see if the jury upholds the right to self-defense. If they don't, riots next year are bound to be much worse.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by fault1 » Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 2:27 AM UTC

inChargeOfIT wrote: post #20

1cvmask wrote: post #14

YouTube is the great digital video censorship platform. My all time favorite was when they censored an academic conference on censorship. The HN discussion on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26008217

How about censoring Dislikes? This is in progress now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxOuG8jMIgI&t=1s

censoring seems like a strong word. it's likely some automated system that based on some frequency analysis detecting whether the dislikes were authentic or not (by some defn of 'authentic').

Without such systems it's trivial to just 'clickfraud' relevancy systems out of whack. Of course Google has has a long record of playing cat/mouse games with this type of behavior due to the entire SEO industry who would manipulate rankings and other signals.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by Jensson » Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 2:28 AM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #424

YeBanKo wrote: post #420

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Then don’t. You can continue denying common sense. But if someone threatens to assault you with a skateboard, bare hand or an item from your desk, then will intuitively discover the difference.

Is that the bar? Anything more effective than fists, even if just by preventing the attacker from being hurt, is a deadly weapon? My normal desktop items could break skulls too, I'm pretty sure. And the pens, oof...

If you started using your desk items as a weapon and swung them at a person in a manner that could reliably kill them then the court would consider you to have a deadly weapon as well.

If you use an item in a manner that can reliably kill people then you use a deadly weapon even if it wasn't intended to be a deadly weapon. Is a pair of scissors a deadly weapon? Yes. Is a heavy hard blunt object (like a statue) a deadly weapon? Yes.