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Re: Resigned

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Post by pohl » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 1:05 AM UTC

juliano_q wrote: post #5

technoslut wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to agree. It's been awhile since I've read something like this from him. Well-chosen words throughout the whole post.

The company is a fractal design. Simplicity, elegance, beauty, cleverness, humility. Good text, but maybe not well-chosen words throughout the whole post. Humility is a little too much.

I find humility in things like deciding to ship without copy/paste, or the decision to ship the initial phone without an SDK. These decisions are an implicit admission that the company wasn't able to get these things sufficiently polished or thought-through to include in a given iteration.

Re: Resigned

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Post by tonetheman » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 1:06 AM UTC

How exactly is a company a fractal design? What the hell does that mean really?

Seriously how does this apple-ass-clown constantly make it to the front page?

Apple is not a person it is a company. Steve might be full of humility, Apple is not.

Re: Resigned

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Post by pohl » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 1:09 AM UTC

st3fan wrote: post #8

The thing to keep in mind is this: Apple tomorrow, a week from now, and next month is the exact same Apple from yesterday, a week ago, and last month. Don't know about that. Apple, like all hi-tech companies, is constantly changing, adapting, finding new ways, dealing with change, innovation, etc.

He's describing, at most, a two month stretch of time. Your response is entirely true, of course, but you're not speaking in the same scope. I think all John is saying here is that it's not going to collapse before our eyes, and that established teams, corporate cultures, and philosophies take time to erode.

Re: Resigned

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Post by kristofferR » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 1:14 AM UTC

pooriaazimi wrote: post #4

Jobs’s greatest creation isn’t any Apple product. It is Apple itself. True.

I completely agree. I will gladly bet $100 on that Apple, without Steve Jobs' help, will create a new product in the coming decade that'll revolutionize (or even create) a market completely like they've done with the iPod, iPhone, iPad and many other products.

Steve Jobs may not be the CEO anymore, but his spirit and philosophy will be alive and well in Apple for a long time to come, no matter what happens with him personally.

Re: Resigned

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Post by xand » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 1:17 AM UTC

tonetheman wrote: post #12

How exactly is a company a fractal design? What the hell does that mean really? Seriously how does this apple-ass-clown constantly make it to the front page? Apple is not a person it is a company. Steve might be full of humility, Apple is not.

Completely agree. Why is this militant fanboy's posts always front page? It's overly biased dribble every time.

Re: Resigned

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Post by icarus_drowning » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 1:20 AM UTC

A-K wrote: post #2

Gruber at his best. I get the feeling that he's had large pieces of this particular post in the works for quite some time.

I've been quite critical of Gruber recently, but I agree. A wonderful, thoughtful, and bittersweet post.

Re: Resigned

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Post by joppa_road » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 1:21 AM UTC

i just can't get the words of dennis hopper from apocalypse now out of my head: when he dies, it dies, man.

Re: Resigned

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Post by joppa_road » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 1:22 AM UTC

pooriaazimi wrote: post #4

Jobs’s greatest creation isn’t any Apple product. It is Apple itself. True.

False.

Re: Resigned

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Post by kanamekun » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 1:26 AM UTC

xand wrote: post #15

tonetheman wrote: post #12

How exactly is a company a fractal design? What the hell does that mean really? Seriously how does this apple-ass-clown constantly make it to the front page? Apple is not a person it is a company. Steve might be full of humility, Apple is not.

Completely agree. Why is this militant fanboy's posts always front page? It's overly biased dribble every time.

Fractals have a property called self-similarity, where "a self-similar object is exactly or approximately similar to a part of itself."

John is saying that Apple's products have an "Apple-ness", as does each app on each product, each feature within each app, etc.

He is suggesting that the zen-like simplicity of Apple can be found at many different levels of the organization. I don't think it's overly biased dribble... it's an eloquent point that Apple Inc. is a culture (cult?) with a clearly identifiable philosophy that permeates every element of the org.

Re: Resigned

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Post by happyhacker » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 1:27 AM UTC

tonetheman wrote: post #12

How exactly is a company a fractal design? What the hell does that mean really? Seriously how does this apple-ass-clown constantly make it to the front page? Apple is not a person it is a company. Steve might be full of humility, Apple is not.

Gruber is an apple dick-rider of the highest caliber. No wonder he would come up with some trite BS like this.