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Ask HN: Messed up my education, now 30 and regretting it. What to do?

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Re: Ask HN: Messed up my education, now 30 and regretting it. What to do?

#41
Is the opportunity cost of not having a degree in the field of your choice higher than the opportunity potential of having the one in the field you want to have a career in? Do you enjoy working underneath younger employees with less experience who are above you simply because they have a degree? It's simply harder to get into those interesting parts of computing without that piece of paper, and if you're going to put in the work to be on the same footing as those who are credentialed, you might as well get the credential to go along with it. At that point, you'll have erased the negative stigma you feel you have, and also know that any future failures to get where you want to go are not based on your lack of education. Knowing that it really IS about you is a cool piece of enlightenment that a lot of people aren't able to grok.

Re: Ask HN: Messed up my education, now 30 and regretting it. What to do?

#42
There are very few jobs in software* that you can’t get without a bachelors or masters. There are a quite small number of semi-research software jobs that you practically need a PhD for. That means you are looking at a decade and there’s no guarantee what’s hot now will be hot then.

If you feel like you need to check a box for your own piece of mind look into a public school night program.

* That you’d want. I’m not counting dinosaur institutions that are so hidebound they want a degree for the sake of a degree.

Re: Ask HN: Messed up my education, now 30 and regretting it. What to do?

#43
Years ago I read a letter to an advice columnist that has stuck with me. The writer was debating going back to college and said something like "If it takes me four years to finish my degree, I'll be 50 when I'm done!"

The columnist's response was "And how old will you be in four years if you don't go back for a degree?"

Even if it takes you ten years doing it part time on the side, you'll be further ahead than if you never did it, and even if you never finish a degree you can still take some classes in the areas that are interesting to you.

Re: Ask HN: Messed up my education, now 30 and regretting it. What to do?

#44
post #15

> As a result I never even finished my bachelors degree, and I'm now in my early 30s and regretting it a lot. I'd really think carefully about why you want that degree. > But then I look around and see the cool jobs in 3D graphics, in distributed systems, in machine learning, or other "hard computer science" fields, and it feels like I will never be qualified without a graduate degree. Why do you feel that? What sign…

Part of it is vanity. Part of it is the feeling that I'll have to defend my lack of credentials for the rest of my career, and that it's ultimately going to hold me back. And maybe part of it is the idea that there are some things I'll never properly learn without taking significant time off work to do focused study. But more than a few commenters here are saying that demonstrating ability is more important than pedi…

I’m almost 50 and have to check the ’some college’ box. That nagging never goes away entirely but the best antidote has been working with folks that are have the creds im after. Mostly I find that we complement each other pretty well, they help me understand domain specialties and i help them avoid the gauntlet of footguns that is delivering software in a regulated juggernaut of an organization.

Re: Ask HN: Messed up my education, now 30 and regretting it. What to do?

#45
post #17

I really wish there was an "executive" graduate degree for people like you. Executive MBA's exist for people working and wanting an MBA, I feel like a software engineering degree could work the same way. Sure it would take twice the time, but unlike an undergrad you could study through the summer while working. Companies could even half fund this to upskill their workforce while retaining staff. With so much educatio…

What you're talking about here is probably an "evening" or "professional" MBA. They definitely exist for fields other than business. My local high-ranking university offers about a dozen Professional Master's, including a well-respected Computer Science program. They usually have one Evening Bachelor's program of some sort as well (next year it's health informatics).

An Executive MBA is usually a very expensive rubber stamp for CEOs or VPs who clearly already have the skills an MBA would provide. The same university provides both an Executive MBA and a Global Executive MBA, which are 1.5 to 3x the cost and take substantially less time.

Re: Ask HN: Messed up my education, now 30 and regretting it. What to do?

#46
Watch the online videos for freshman/sophomore CS courses and do the homework/projects (very important) from the corresponding textbook/course. Plenty of options exist: MIT OCW, etc.

If you have enough willpower to do that (and most people won't no matter how strong their regrets are), only then consider going back to college and even then a reputable online program would probably be your best bet.

Re: Ask HN: Messed up my education, now 30 and regretting it. What to do?

#47
Get the undergrad so you have the option to do a masters later. Options for any financial independence are a) go to school, b) start a business, or c) become a talent star of some kind.

Are you c? Probably not. Do you have a b in you and given it's a 3-5 year project for most people, are you more likely to succeed at it right now than when you get out of school? Maybe, timebox 3-6mos and do your current dream startup, and when it fails you will know whether you're ready to do it again.

If you can afford to do a) it's a supreme privilege to spend years in school, and you get out the other side with one less giant constraint.

(Didn't finish undergrad either, 20+ years in tech, didn't go back to school because it was always to meet other peoples expectations, and didn't finish because ego insisted succeeding in spite of a self-imposed handicap showed how special I was. It's literally as dumb as it sounds.)

If you don't have a degree, it may have little bearing on your individual talent or ability, but you will always be assigned to work for only the dumbest people who do have one, and they will be your ceiling. This is the random sign from the universe you are looking for. Do it.

Re: Ask HN: Messed up my education, now 30 and regretting it. What to do?

#49
post #34

Are you willing to put in a significant amount of work? Look into Georgia Tech's OMSCS program. Do some searches, read (or watch) some of the press coverage of the program. Its very affordable. But the program is not a gimme - you will have to do significant amounts of work. When you complete the program you will have the knowledge and credentials to pursue some of those cool jobs you see. Seems like the credentials…

Doesn't this require a bachelors degree though?

Yes. https://omscs.gatech.edu/program-info/admission-criteria

> Applicants who do not meet these criteria will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis; however, work experience will not take the place of an undergraduate degree.

> Georgia Tech requires that international applicants hold the equivalent of a U.S. four-year baccalaureate degree earned at a regionally accredited institution.

Re: Ask HN: Messed up my education, now 30 and regretting it. What to do?

#50
post #24

I was in the exact same position. I found a university program which allowed me to get MS in Computer Science mostly online. I took me 3 years, but I did this in parralel with may day job while having 2 kids at home. I think it was well worth it and I encourage you to try. As long as you going to invest all this time and money, do it with recognizable university, not some online only program. Your company may agree t…

You got a master degree in only 3 years in CS with two kids and a day time job? Seriously? First of all: hats off!

How did you manage that? Did you sleep occasionally? I'm in a similar situation (kids, job) and I just cannot see something like this could be possible without sacrificing one one front.

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