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Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by serverholic »

1cvmask wrote: post #14

YouTube is the great digital video censorship platform. My all time favorite was when they censored an academic conference on censorship. The HN discussion on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26008217

This is why decentralization is so important. Peertube, IPFS, cryptocurrency, bittorrent, etc. and really web3 in general are trying to move us in that direction.

Part of the problem is that people have been told that there is such a thing as a free lunch. Yet YouTube censorship is a great example of where that leads us.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by HideousKojima »

Miner49er wrote: post #76
thepasswordis wrote: post #11

I think at this point we can just expect this stuff. The ridiculousness of it, though. The rekieta law stream (which is fantastic , btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7YXd2M5E-8 ) has anywhere from 4-12 active lawyers giving commentary and context to everything that is happening. This is exactly the type of thing we dreamed about when we were first creating the internet. However: often times these smaller independ…

So I tuned in out of curiosity. I'm assuming these guys are biased in favor of the defense? They were just laughing at the fact that Rosenbaum is dead. Or do they just have a dark sense of humor or something?

Rosenbaum was literally a convicted child rapist, multiple witnesses testified that he threatened to kill Kyle if he caught him alone, and he's on video shouting "SHOOT ME N***A" repeatedly. So most people aren't feeling much sympathy for the fact that he died.

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Post by golemotron »

yuliyp wrote: post #75
laurent92 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are delusional. I confronted my father about not being in favor of basic democratic principles (67, I’m 40), he maintained he wanted freedom of speech until, after a few targetted questions from myself, he admitted to having limits to it. Same for the right to vote, which he defends fiercely, except for the people who are under influence, foreign or otherwise. Such horrible people maintain a doublespeak even in…

Do you really think your father is a horrible person because some of the ideas in his head might be wrong, or come from a different set of values than you? Are all of your own views self-consistent? Have you ever come to a conclusion, and later changed your views after thinking further or getting new evidence, or from discussing them further? I also find myself disagreeing with my father's politics often. I do compar…

Good practice. It's also good to make note of the differences you and your father have politically and then compare then to those of your children (or that age cohort if you don't have children) when you are your father's age. What we consider important, and why, change a lot over our lifetimes.

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Post by rat87 »

kyleblarson wrote: post #73

It doesn't fit the narrative that they and the entire mainstream media are so desperate to perpetuate. Allowing the plebs to see unbiased content and judge for themselves terrifies them. Same thing with removing the downvote count. They can't stand to see ratio of down to up votes on content about the current US administration, COVID, etc.

"unbiased content"

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Post by etchalon »

thepasswordis wrote: post #11

I think at this point we can just expect this stuff. The ridiculousness of it, though. The rekieta law stream (which is fantastic , btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7YXd2M5E-8 ) has anywhere from 4-12 active lawyers giving commentary and context to everything that is happening. This is exactly the type of thing we dreamed about when we were first creating the internet. However: often times these smaller independ…

Considering the streams are back up, this seems more like a failure of automation and reporting tools than a grand conspiracy.

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Post by thirteenfingers »

Between stuffing non-monetized videos with ads, the dislike button thing, and capricious censorship, I'm seriously looking into self-hosting[0] my video and streamed content. Disregarding the difficulty of maintaining a following outside of the big platforms, do any of you HNers have experience with hosting your own video and streaming sites? What software do you use?

[0] I could also just switch platforms, but I have similar problems with all the big platforms. Vimeo is a potential paid option, but their streaming plans are a bit out of my budget.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by poorjohnmacafee »

laurent92 wrote: post #60
poorjohnmacafee wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Freedom of speech is overrated, I don't agree with it as a general principle"... It's a minority but the people who actually say this are just promoting increased government control of citizenry. Either they are naive or that's what they want.

They are delusional. I confronted my father about not being in favor of basic democratic principles (67, I’m 40), he maintained he wanted freedom of speech until, after a few targetted questions from myself, he admitted to having limits to it. Same for the right to vote, which he defends fiercely, except for the people who are under influence, foreign or otherwise. Such horrible people maintain a doublespeak even in…

Well every family member and person I've ever gotten to know well enough where we talk politics, believe that the state naturally seeks to increase its power over time, so that people should be skeptical of the state. As cliche as it is to bring up, this is what the American founding fathers talked extensively about. Freedom of speech is the fundamental way that people can push back when governments do this, inevitably as they try to, as every state in every historical period has tried to.

Again, they're either naive or that's what they want and should be honest about it.

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Post by thriftwy »

soco wrote: post #49
HideousKojima wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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As your examples correctly point out, the sites documenting government abuses were not censored. Only the tinfoil wackos were taken down, so I believe in this particular case it works as expected. (later clarification: anyway I definitely don't like the way YouTube goes and I'd post my stuff also on other sites)

These abuses are also historical. They ought to have a different censorship dynamic from current events.

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Post by fault1 »

imwillofficial wrote: post #26
fault1 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this just a market opportunity for other companies? Google isn't the only company that owns the field of information retrieval. They just came the right place/right time after the .com crash.

And how is it a fair market when the government subsidies give google et al a home field advantage?

government subsidies?
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