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If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Post by pseudalopex »

okareaman wrote: post #150
pas wrote: post #127

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Win11 UI is noticeably bad. Harder to read, harder to notice buttons. Useful functionality is hidden behind more clicks, etc... It might have some aesthetic value, but it's not necessarily nicer, just different and more trendy. Which quickly wears off.

I believe Windows 11 is that last desktop machine UI we'll see for awhile from Microsoft as they intend to refine and improve this one and stop irritating people with changes. I'm happy finding work arounds for things that don't work for me. For example, I can no longer read the time from the task bar from a distance, so I have a browser tab loaded with a time service that I like better. https://www.clocktab.com/

> I believe Windows 11 is that last desktop machine UI we'll see for awhile from Microsoft as they intend to refine and improve this one and stop irritating people with changes.

Wasn't Windows 10 supposed to be that?

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Post by Anunayj »

lghh wrote: post #133
nickpp wrote: post #84

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Yeah maybe you as a developer want some fancy CSS and bleeding fresh Web API but I as a user don't. The web is too bloated as it is, I feel that Apple is on my side putting a damper on that. Safari is powerful enough as it is. You want voip, notifications, codecs and so on - do the work and learn to write a native app. I'd rather pay for that than paying with my attention to ads in your "free" web app.

> do the work and learn to write a native app Why? I want it to run on all platforms. That's one of the best things about the web. I'd rather just not support Safari than write and deploy separate MacOS, Windows, and Mobile applications. My and most user-bases agree.

+ I don't want my users to download to have download a native binary that has unrestricted access to filesystem and I need a Apple Device to develop even if it's the smallest thing in the world.

Web browsers are the best of both worlds, secure enclaved sandboxes, easily reachable by just a link, and powerful enough to do many basic tasks, and cross compatible.

Re: If Apple keeps letting its software slip, the next big thing won’t matter

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Post by Tagbert »

Gys wrote: post #195
threeseed wrote: post #159

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So you clearly have a hardware problem since your USB-C ports aren't charging. And rather than go to Apple you instead randomly press buttons and then are surprised when random things happen. Okay.

> go to Apple Is there an easy way to do that in the moment? Genuine question. I (we) have many Apple devices and in my experience ‘it just works’ until it does not. And if not you are out of luck. No errors, no warnings, nothing. It ‘just does not work’. Googling mostly does nog give any usable solutions. I would love to gave an instant phone or chat service. For free, because I feel like like really paying a lot al…

Not sure where you are. In the US Apple stores are open and doing support. You just need to schedule a session.

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Post by josephg »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #164
freediver wrote: post #18

Yesterday I prepared a few years old Windows laptop for my daughter to use in school. It took me a few hours just to install updates, remove bloatware (my oh my, the amount is staggering!) and fix privacy settings. And this was for Windows 10 which I hear is a mild version of a mess that Windows 11 is. I was instantly reminded why I appreciate Apple software more.

I'm no fan of Microsoft, but a vanilla Windows 10 install isn't very bloated imo. Did you perhaps start with an image provided by the laptop vendor? It's not Microsoft's fault that they're usually full of trash.

Unfortunately it doesn’t really matter who’s fault it is from the perspective of the user.

All the windows computers at the computer shop ship with bloated 3rd party crap. Except the apple computers. It’s also not Google’s fault that most android vendors don’t support old devices for long. Or Linux’s fault that hardware vendors make linux drivers an afterthought.

As a consumer, I don’t care why any of this happens. I just want the things I buy to work properly.

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Post by [deleted] »

handrous wrote: post #90
mrguyorama wrote: post #82

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Firefox lets me simply deny a web page the ability to send a notification when it attempts to do so, allowing me to only let the apps I want do so, while not bothering me about the majority of web sites that don't use it. Why should apple make this choice for me?

I'd love some data on what percentage of web-push notifications going out are to users who want them, versus to users who didn't realize browsers had added a feature to let websites shit up their desktop, and, like most folks, just click "allow" on everything that pops up on a site (as there's rarely any reason, for normal people, not to) and don't know why or how some site they visited once is sending them stuff. My…

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Post by petra »

superasn wrote: post #59
freediver wrote: post #18

Yesterday I prepared a few years old Windows laptop for my daughter to use in school. It took me a few hours just to install updates, remove bloatware (my oh my, the amount is staggering!) and fix privacy settings. And this was for Windows 10 which I hear is a mild version of a mess that Windows 11 is. I was instantly reminded why I appreciate Apple software more.

1. Yes first thing I run if I ever have to use a Windows PC is this little gem called Shutup 10 (1). 2. Then there is another software called 10AppsManager (2) to remove further bloatware like Onedrive, Skype, etc. 3. After that I visit ninite.com (3) to get the usual software without toolbars and spyware. 4. For other software like ffmpeg I use choco or chocolatey (4). I am now a full time linux user but this was th…

Why use ninite instead of chocolatey ? what's the difference?

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Post by passivate »

slownews45 wrote: post #114
passivate wrote: post #47

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Sounds like your PC vendor installed a whole bunch of crap. I put W10 on a fresh PC just a couple of months back and it was a painless process. It was a W10 Pro ISO from Microsoft.

I deploy windows 10 pro. Loaded down with crap. What businesses want Xbox companion and xbox game bar running on all their work computers - seriously -> if you are on Microsoft search for xbox on your work computer. Does Candy Crush Saga still come on the business pro ISO installs? That used to make the office laugh - who is paying $200/machine to get candy crush saga pre-installed. In fact, the trick was they also h…

I don't have the same experience as you, sorry I am not sure why you're facing so many issues with an OS install. What does your IT department say? Any troubleshooting steps?

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Post by Gys »

Tagbert wrote: post #223
Gys wrote: post #195

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> go to Apple Is there an easy way to do that in the moment? Genuine question. I (we) have many Apple devices and in my experience ‘it just works’ until it does not. And if not you are out of luck. No errors, no warnings, nothing. It ‘just does not work’. Googling mostly does nog give any usable solutions. I would love to gave an instant phone or chat service. For free, because I feel like like really paying a lot al…

Not sure where you are. In the US Apple stores are open and doing support. You just need to schedule a session.

By 'at the moment' I mean now. Because the problem is now. Scheduling a visit to an Apple Store is not a good option to deal with my frustration at that moment. Besides, I am in Europe, where the prices are higher while having far less Apple Stores (pretty sure there is none in the country where I live).

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Post by lowercased »

Tagbert wrote: post #223
Gys wrote: post #195

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> go to Apple Is there an easy way to do that in the moment? Genuine question. I (we) have many Apple devices and in my experience ‘it just works’ until it does not. And if not you are out of luck. No errors, no warnings, nothing. It ‘just does not work’. Googling mostly does nog give any usable solutions. I would love to gave an instant phone or chat service. For free, because I feel like like really paying a lot al…

Not sure where you are. In the US Apple stores are open and doing support. You just need to schedule a session.

which... may be days or a week away, if there's anything remotely close to you. FWIW, I've usually been able to get something 'same day', but not always, and often it's "hey, there's a slot in 2 hours, and the next one is in 6 days".

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Post by salamandersauce »

Tagbert wrote: post #212
salamandersauce wrote: post #130

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Is this not true on Mac? Updates in particular take forever on MacOS. I find Windows updates take like 5 minutes usually. MacOS has been a half hour or more for some of the point updates I've done. Bloatware is still there, iMovie, Garageband, iWork is IMO bloat. Slightly more quality bloat maybe but I don't need 20GB taken up by stuff I'll literally never use.

IMovie, GarageBand and iWork are not installed by default and you can remove them at any time. Recent Mac OS updates are monolithic signed binaries that load into the protected disk partitions reserved for the OS. This is security feature to limit which processes can modify the OS. The downside is that it can’t do differential updates. I hope that, at some point, Apple will work out how to securely do differential up…

When did they stop including them because they were absolutely included on both the Macs I bought a few years ago...
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