Thank God I live in a civilized country. Live and let live. Could be so easy for so many. But well... earning the next dollar is more important than supporting others in times of need. Separating parents from their children is miserable.
Without parental leave I might be dead
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Re: Without parental leave I might be dead
#342I really cant understand the logic of forcing women back into work after 2-4 weeks. Its just not beneficial for anyone. The mum is utterly frazzled. The employer gets half an employee back Society is conditioned to think that the only practical way to raise a baby is to give up on work/get live in care. now, to look at it from a "my mum managed, I don't want to undermine the american nuclear family" point of view: Ye…
> forcing women back into work This is not what happens. No one is being "forced" to do anything. Rather, free individuals (speaking from a U.S. centric viewpoint) make a choice to become pregnant and birth a child. It seems reasonable to me that the result of this private choice should not be the burden of others. Note that FMLA (again, U.S.-centric) grants unpaid leave. In other words, you can't be fired for certai…
With compassion, may I say the following:
Some pregnancies are not planned. Some sex is not consensual. Unless we have free abortions available, people with uteruses are sometimes not free to decide not to be pregnant.
The decision to support pregnant people is a decision to support the baby. At some point, everyone reading this was a pregnancy, everyone reading this was helpless. One of the core functions of society is to protect helpless, young humans. Full stop.
If you are under the impression society exists for a purpose other than pooling resources to protect the citizens from outside threats of hunger, violence, or famine, I urge you to reconsider.
Moralizing about how better decisions should have been made is Monday-night-quarterbacking at best. The reality is there is now a small human. The small, helpless human should get the best shot we can give them, because otherwise, what the fuck are we doing.
Name something we should spend money on that's more worthwhile than a helpless baby not suffering.
Re: Without parental leave I might be dead
#343I really cant understand the logic of forcing women back into work after 2-4 weeks. Its just not beneficial for anyone. The mum is utterly frazzled. The employer gets half an employee back Society is conditioned to think that the only practical way to raise a baby is to give up on work/get live in care. now, to look at it from a "my mum managed, I don't want to undermine the american nuclear family" point of view: Ye…
I keep saying it: the ERA was a (successful) ruse by the elite class to further dilute and weaken the middle class dressed up with a feminist guise.
What is ERA?
Re: Without parental leave I might be dead
#344I really cant understand the logic of forcing women back into work after 2-4 weeks. Its just not beneficial for anyone. The mum is utterly frazzled. The employer gets half an employee back Society is conditioned to think that the only practical way to raise a baby is to give up on work/get live in care. now, to look at it from a "my mum managed, I don't want to undermine the american nuclear family" point of view: Ye…
As a parent who got 6 months that barely fucking scratches the surface of the time it take to raise a human. Subsidize me until they are in public school and I’ll high five you.
You are asking for an incredibly high amount of welfare, essentially "everyone else in society should pay me for 5 years because I chose to have a kid". I'm choosing to have a kid too, but I'm taking the personal responsibility path of saving and paying for it on my own. Perhaps there is some middleground, but 5 years is absolutely absurd.
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#345Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Thousands of people die every year just because they don't have time to see a doctor since they're too busy making Subway sandwiches or whatever." I don't think this story shows that. This story involves a call to the doctor. The doctor says it's life threatening. Any person would choose to take off rather than die. In fact, in my experience the people who die because they didn't see a doctor didn't know how serious…
In a better world you'd also get paid time off after a car crash , heart surgery, etc. America's the only county that doesn't offer parental leave, it's not radical to say this leads to poor outcomes. https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5g8eq/amazon-denied-a-worke...
"America's the only county that doesn't offer parental leave, it's not radical to say this leads to poor outcomes."
You mean paid parental leave? You should be able to take unpaid parental leave under FMLA for medical reasons.
America is not the only country. It depends on if you mean developed country or some other missing adjective. Also, you said parental leave. Many countries only offer maturity leave, and not parental leave (maturnity + paternity). These also have other impacts/reasons than the medical point the original article makes.
I'm not sure why you linked that article. Maturnity leave refers to post delivery. Pre delivery would be prenatal leave, which isn't discussed here. They do discuss some medical leave here, which brings me back to the point about not making this solely about maturnity leave, and that the original article is more about medical side and not the other aspects of parental leave.
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#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a parent who got 6 months that barely fucking scratches the surface of the time it take to raise a human. Subsidize me until they are in public school and I’ll high five you.
> Subsidize me until they are in public school and I’ll high five you. I know this is an exaggeration, but it drew my interest. This expects that the rest of us have to work to subsidize you having children for five to six years . I'm wholly on board with helping parents raise children. Children are our future. But at some threshold of subsidization this equation tips and actively offloads the entire burden onto thos…
> This expects that the rest of us have to work to subsidize you having children
This is exactly how society works for ages 5-18 and we call it 'school', how is 0-4 different?
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#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a parent who got 6 months that barely fucking scratches the surface of the time it take to raise a human. Subsidize me until they are in public school and I’ll high five you.
I would argue we just need to bring public school earlier. We don’t need this tied to an employer like health insurance as this is something that benefits us all.
Plato suggested that the state should have communal rearing of children.
We could have a society were children goes to public school as soon they can take formula.
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#348Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Its just not beneficial for anyone. I'm personally a proponent of parental leave, but I'll answer this one point. "Forcing women" back into work after pregnancy is an attempt my mothers to minimize wage decreases. All of the evidence for wage discrepancies between male and female is due largely to women's role of motherhood. https://bfi.uchicago.edu/insight/research-summary/motherhood...
I wonder how much this would change if parental leave was also granted to fathers at similar or equal rates. The article mentions postpartum issues -- this is stuff that isn't really mitigated by having one parent alone care for a kid. If you're struggling with depression by yourself in the house with a kid... it's nice to have more people around to help. Even if you're not struggling with depression, having people a…
That's the case in Spain since 2021. Both parents get 19 weeks paid leave.
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#349Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think your frame of reference may be a bit warped. What is an 'average' salary? The median personal income in 2019 was $35,805 (cf. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N ). I think you'd be hard pressed to live on that with a family of 3+ people. And what about the 50% of people who have a personal income less than the median? edit: that stat was for 2019, not 2020, my bad
That's $2983 per month. Biggest costs of life are housing, food and transportation. With one person staying at home, both the cost of transpo and food go down (because: one less person commuting to job, everything can be home cooked and the person staying at home have time to shop smartly and save a lot thanks to it). This lives housing costs. Here, it's all about location. In many areas (assuming renting), you can h…
On average in the US, 1 in 2 bankruptcies are due to medical debt. I think it's disingenuous to include the "biggest costs of life" and omit what is arguably the largest for an american citizen.
3000 gross is more like 2-25 net depending on the state. I haven't been in many industries where an employer is going to be covering healthcare costs for an $18/hr employee. So for a family of 3, that's another $1,000 a month for insurance.
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#350To be against parents being with their children during their earliest months and years is to be against humanity. The other word for that is "capitalism".