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Chile wants to export solar energy to Asia via 15,000km submarine cable

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Re: Chile wants to export solar energy to Asia via 15,000km submarine cable

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Doug Stewart, now at VEIR (veir.com), had a company (Wattershed) that was doing undersea HTS cables about a decade ago. I think their first deployment was going to be inter island in Hawaii?

Either way, this doesn't have to be hyper efficient. It just has to be better than "get lots of batteries". Like others, I'm more worried about redundancy / operational concerns than about power loss.

Re: Chile wants to export solar energy to Asia via 15,000km submarine cable

#22
I dont think this makes much sense - even if the fundamental premise (sending solar energy under thousands of kilometers at massive initial and maintenance costs) had immediate economic merit, there are closer places like Australia.

Even then, the fundamental benefit of solar energy is it's distributed nature. With something like nuclear power, however, there might be more use...

Re: Chile wants to export solar energy to Asia via 15,000km submarine cable

#24
Hopelessly naive, I know, but shouldn't there be a global grid to optimally distribute electricity from solar irradiation rather than laying idiotic lengths of cable for political reasons?

You want to connect the Pacific rim for that grid to work but I can easily imagine some intermediate "links" that seem to make more sense

Re: Chile wants to export solar energy to Asia via 15,000km submarine cable

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post #6

Doesnt China have it's own supply of deserts a bit closer to home?

Part of the idea is that the producer and consumer of the energy are on opposite hemispheres and at different longitudes. That means when its winter in China, it is going to be summer in Chile. There is also a considerable time difference between the places which helps to supply electric energy via solar power even while it is night in China.

Honestly it's kinda brilliant. With a big enough global network of overbuilt solar capacity you would avoid the problems of the duck curve and weather limitations.

Re: Chile wants to export solar energy to Asia via 15,000km submarine cable

#26
Casey Handmer calculated that it was cheaper to produce solar power in Boston for local use than it was to ship solar power from Arizona to Boston.[1] Solar power is 3X as expensive to produce in Boston, but HVDC lines are even more expensive.

If it's uneconomical to ship from Arizona to Boston, then Chile to Asia seems even more problematic.

Although in this case the submarine HVDC line is competing against batteries since Chile and China are in different hemispheres. I hope with they have an accurate prediction for battery prices in their business plan, because the prices of batteries are dropping precipitously.

1: https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2020/12/27/the-future-of-...

Re: Chile wants to export solar energy to Asia via 15,000km submarine cable

#27

Hopelessly naive, I know, but shouldn't there be a global grid to optimally distribute electricity from solar irradiation rather than laying idiotic lengths of cable for political reasons? You want to connect the Pacific rim for that grid to work but I can easily imagine some intermediate "links" that seem to make more sense

There isn't even a nation-wide electrical grid in the USA. Having a global grid is a futuristic pipe dream.

Re: Chile wants to export solar energy to Asia via 15,000km submarine cable

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post #10

What percentage of power is lost to line-loss at those distances? And if you are going to cover long distances you usually push up to 750kV or more: how long before there's an insulation breakdown somewhere along your 15,000km and you get some very energetic arcing and sparking underwater? Not to mention that it makes for an interesting asset to target (though only a few nations have the "tools" to attack power cable…

Based on this [1] citation from the HVDC article on Wikipedia, losses are about 3.5% per 1000 km at 800 kV. That would correspond to losses in the range of 40-50% for the 15,000 km cable in question.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current#ci...

Re: Chile wants to export solar energy to Asia via 15,000km submarine cable

#29
Energy exporting will be an interesting business opportunity from now on.

With the deprecation of fossil fuel, majority of the nations on earth wont have the dirty, but easy option, any more. The clean energy tech is still way out of reach for most of these countries.

Building electricity transmission appears an easier option. It's easier in the sense that almost everyone knows how to build and mange them, to some degree. But it will still be very costly.

And if things go well, Africa might becomes the new source of electricity for its abundance of sunlight. Of course, like right now, they don't have any tech yet...

Re: Chile wants to export solar energy to Asia via 15,000km submarine cable

#30
> The cable should be about 15,000km long and building a 1,300km cable would cost $2 billion.

For being able to time-shift solar, that seems like a bargain. A recent internet undersea cable[0] cost $300 million for the entire project.

[0] https://www.computerworld.com/article/2939316/googles-60tbps...

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