> Apple is trying maximize the money they’re making … And that is the problem with our modern companies. The only morals is making money. What a pitiful excuse.
can you explain to me this attitude, which i see a lot? Obviously the entire reason for a companys' existence is to make money why should we expect anything else? Also this is true for every company in history. Of course we must demand companies meet minimum moral standards such as not using slaves (which would be unthinkable today in 2021 cough ) but those must be imposed on them by law. This is a genuine question p…
In my view, it's bad because there's no end to the growth of a company's wealth, and thus power. Companies are treated as individuals when it's convenient for them, and not so when it's inconvenient. As companies gain more and more money, it becomes much easier to commit crimes and abuse their power to gain even more money and even more power, and yet, the likelihood of them being held accountable decreases. Comapnies can commit crimes that would land an individual in prison, and yet companies are usually at most fined in amounts much lower than the money they earned committing crimes. This creates serious problems in society, where companies are able and enabled to essentially act as sociopaths with limitless power.
Lovely corporate ethics. I posted this in our company slack room as an example of how not to act for bizdev Google benefits too much from this sort of arrangement to have any incentive to stop it, even though these are unauthorized advertisements that are specifically against Google's AdWords TOS (side note, I wonder if there is a legal avenue to follow when a vendor doesn't follow their own TOS? An interesting thoug…
a) It is not against AdWords TOS provided you have permission to use their trademarked terms. Which Apple has since in the Developer agreement [1] they have been assigned permissions to use logos, trademarked terms etc in marketing material.
b) Google is incentivised to tackle abuse within their system. It's ridiculous and baseless to say otherwise. Lack of integrity in an ad marketplace very easily can translate to lost dollars. But unfortunately with spoofing being trivial it's simply hard to detect and manage abuse.
c) There is no regulation that will prevent this. App developers have signed a legally binding contract.
"Money corrupts everything" BS. One of the only things Ayn Rand got right was her view of money: it is one of the greatest forces for good humans have ever invented. Money allows us to settle our disputes without violence; money is what enables peaceful trade; money is how we moved beyond palace economies. Sure, money can corrupt some things, but on the whole money has likely saved many lives and in all likelihood th…
"Money allows us to settle our disputes without violence" What? Money is the cause of like70% of all violence
I fully agree that money is a serious problem, but I have come to the conclusion that the true source of violence in society is simply humans. Everything else is simply a medium or catalyst for violence.
It's actually an interesting question how nefarious or harmful this actually is. We obviously know why Apple is doing it and why the apps in question don't like it. But a couple things occurred to me: You could view this like Amazon giving away your book or android app in a promotion. As I understand it, they still pay the author as if it were a sale, so the author seemingly has nothong to complain about. Even that s…
I run a big portfolio of mobile apps, and the discussion around this is misguided. It's not about Apple taking 30% of the revenue generated from these ads. It's about Apple driving up the user acquisition costs for these companies so much so that it become entirely uneconomical for them to buy ads that direct users to their own websites, and instead the campaigns that target users to download the app - which results…
I don’t entire understand the ad market, so sorry if this is a stupid question, but if Apple bids $97 per user and wins, then that’s more than the $70 per user Tinder would get, that makes sense. But since that user didn’t cost Tinder anything, aren’t they +$70 since Apple ate the acquisition cost, instead of +$27 where Tinder only had to spend $70 (under the no-Apple bid price) to earn $97?
It's actually an interesting question how nefarious or harmful this actually is. We obviously know why Apple is doing it and why the apps in question don't like it. But a couple things occurred to me: You could view this like Amazon giving away your book or android app in a promotion. As I understand it, they still pay the author as if it were a sale, so the author seemingly has nothong to complain about. Even that s…
>Any sales generated by the ads would not have existed without the ad, and so it's not taking anything from the app developer. This argument is not very convincing in my opinion, as it looks like Apple is purchasing ads for brand keywords. If the ad wasn't there, the customer would go to the brands website, which would be ranked #1 without the ad.
The example shows the brand name being ranked 1st. For this to be a poor result for the brand it would require cannibalisation rates to be high enough to push the 15/30% fee higher than their margin - that’s not realistic because the app store price would never be at a loss to begin with (with many alreadying increasing the app store fee to match the 15/30% cut.)
In all likelihood the end result is a net profit for the developer at the expense of their competitors.
Also neglected for consideration: the developer doesn’t pay for these ads - and the scarcity isn’t high enough to meaningfully affect bid pricing over regular competition.
It's actually an interesting question how nefarious or harmful this actually is. We obviously know why Apple is doing it and why the apps in question don't like it. But a couple things occurred to me: You could view this like Amazon giving away your book or android app in a promotion. As I understand it, they still pay the author as if it were a sale, so the author seemingly has nothong to complain about. Even that s…
>Any sales generated by the ads would not have existed without the ad, and so it's not taking anything from the app developer. This argument is not very convincing in my opinion, as it looks like Apple is purchasing ads for brand keywords. If the ad wasn't there, the customer would go to the brands website, which would be ranked #1 without the ad.
Without the Apple's ad, wouldn't there be some _other_ ad instead? Presumably a competitor's, or the brand's own, paying the Google tax?
It's actually an interesting question how nefarious or harmful this actually is. We obviously know why Apple is doing it and why the apps in question don't like it. But a couple things occurred to me: You could view this like Amazon giving away your book or android app in a promotion. As I understand it, they still pay the author as if it were a sale, so the author seemingly has nothong to complain about. Even that s…
To me it’s an issue if Apple refuses to stop if a particular business asks them to. That seems like an easy measuring stick.