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"We killed all of the vulnerable people by doing nothing, so now we're looking pretty spiffy!"
"We shut down everything to temporarily protect the weak, and now we'll let them die since we're tired of lockdowns".
There are several of these articles trying to redeem Sweden's choices. Here are the results versus their similar neighbors in deaths per million people[1]: Sweden 1478 Denmark 474 Finland 219 Norway 173 They're 3 to 8 times worse. They now do compare favorably to Portugal for example at 1796. When did Portugal have the huge spike in deaths that propelled it in front of Sweden? When it decided not to do lockdowns, eve…
Maybe better to compare to Singapore which had ~6 deaths per million earlier this year, has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world but since barely relaxing their restrictions now has ~120 deaths per million, raging number of cases (mostly vaccinated) and had the highest level of suicides last year since 2012?
1) Torture and murder puppies.
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2) Create US taxpayer funded bio-terrorism then make money from big pharma to deal with it.
There are several of these articles trying to redeem Sweden's choices. Here are the results versus their similar neighbors in deaths per million people[1]: Sweden 1478 Denmark 474 Finland 219 Norway 173 They're 3 to 8 times worse. They now do compare favorably to Portugal for example at 1796. When did Portugal have the huge spike in deaths that propelled it in front of Sweden? When it decided not to do lockdowns, eve…
You must also take into account the effect on the economy, mental health, freedoms, etc.
With reference to the countries that went to look for hermits in the deserts to tell them they should lock themselves somewhere to comply to the policy.
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> Here in Switzerland, we had plenty of lockdowns, followed the scientific wisdom and so on, and we're at 1375 deaths per million. You can compare the number of days of lockdown to deaths per million. You should also compare at what point of time the lockdowns were undertaken. There's plenty of research that shows Non Pharmaceutical Initiatives are very effective in stopping the spread of virus.
You really would not be able to tell this by looking at a state-by-state map of deaths in the USA, which have had various (sometimes opposing) views of “Non Pharmaceutical initiatives” https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...
I wish there would be more talk about the other side of Covid: the people suffering of various long term post-covid problems. I think this will be the high price that Sweden really will have to pay in the long run.
A genuinely sincere question:
What the fuck happened in your childhood that you are willing to believe the most wild conspiracy theories and are willing to suck Fauci's dick so much?
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The Government is playing god in protecting it citizens from death? Not sure if I understand this reasoning, the government has to protect its citizens, that is the number one task.
So if the government did such a bad job policing people from staying at home, why did we even bother with continuing with the stay at home orders? It was obvious from the end of 2020 that nobody was abiding by it and police clearly weren't enforcing these completely unconstitutional laws. Yet here we are with the same death toll we would've had, but this time with almost 2x inflation, ridiculous shortages, and supply…
You can see in [4] that consumer spending patterns were changing well before lockdown orders were issued. In fact, consumer spending falls off a cliff the day the NBA suspended its season, which was also when the US stopped all flights to Europe. I don't think anyone argues that stopping travel to Covid hotzones was a bad idea, right? You can see that people starting to eat out less the first week of March, whereas lockdowns really came into full swing around the end of March.
Did lockdowns impact the economy? Sure. But you can't say the economy would be inflation-free and there would be no shortages or supply chain failures if no lockdowns were imposed.
[1] https://www.nba.com/news/coronavirus-pandemic-causes-nba-sus...
[2] https://sfmayor.org/article/san-francisco-issues-new-public-...
[3] https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2020-03-20-...
[4] https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-u-s-consumers-are-spend...
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I would love it if we could get such clear-cut results from the numbers, and just be able to say “this strategy is good, if we do that everything will be fine” (not saying you're saying that), but I really don't think that's the case. Here in Switzerland, we had plenty of lockdowns, followed the scientific wisdom and so on, and we're at 1375 deaths per million. The UK has shifted strategies around a bunch, but they h…
I hope you're kidding with respect to Switzerland's handling of covid... We have the worst vaccine coverage of western Europe. The government didn't take the necessary measures in September/October last year which lead to thousands of unnecessary deaths. Most schools have no mitigation in place, no CO2 meter, no filtering, no mask, no testing. The largest political party (SVP/UDC) has systematically downplayed the pa…
You're right, I hadn't realised this. Still, all countries in Western Europe are within ~10% of each other when it comes to the percentage of the population that's fully vaccinated.
More generally, I definitely don't think Switzerland's handling of the pandemic was perfect, but it currently seems to me that Switzerland did mostly follow the advice of the scientific community.
There are several of these articles trying to redeem Sweden's choices. Here are the results versus their similar neighbors in deaths per million people[1]: Sweden 1478 Denmark 474 Finland 219 Norway 173 They're 3 to 8 times worse. They now do compare favorably to Portugal for example at 1796. When did Portugal have the huge spike in deaths that propelled it in front of Sweden? When it decided not to do lockdowns, eve…
An overall comparison with Scotland as a country which took drastic measures shows that it fared very badly with much greater excess death together with the many long-lasting knock-on effects of lockdown. Death rates as of Nov 2021 as % of the population are 0.216 (Scotland) versus 0.147 (Sweden).
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I would love it if we could get such clear-cut results from the numbers, and just be able to say “this strategy is good, if we do that everything will be fine” (not saying you're saying that), but I really don't think that's the case. Here in Switzerland, we had plenty of lockdowns, followed the scientific wisdom and so on, and we're at 1375 deaths per million. The UK has shifted strategies around a bunch, but they h…
We don't even know why covid has a seasonality. Obviously it has a physical cause but the interplay of all factors is so complicated that no one can really explain why peaks come and go, and at different times in each place.