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U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Post by moonchrome »

eitland wrote: post #139

Still waiting for investigators to look into Chrome. In 2009 we were finally getting rid of IE and the web browser market was a healthy ecosystem with lots and lots of innovation happening. Today we are soon back on a browser monoculture with the owner of the most popular product being a company that has enormous interest in killing certain parts of the ecosystem and also has a long history of killing of their own pr…

Safari/WebKit on iOS is a far worse offender. Part of the reason you can't escape the app store tax is because WebKit intentionally gimps webapps.

Even Microsoft wasn't this dirty with IE, you could always install other browsers.

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Post by makeitdouble »

epistasis wrote: post #71
mabbo wrote: post #53

As more data comes out about Google, Apple, Amazon, one simple underlying thing becomes clear: a single company cannot be trusted to operate a marketplace while also being a participant . Apple's App Store insider knowledge lets them discover popular apps, then boot them off the platform when they decide to compete. Amazon sees what products are successful and profitable, then makes knock-offs which they promote over…

> Amazon sees what products are successful and profitable, then makes knock-offs which they promote over the originals. And now, reading into this, Google is manipulating their ad markets using inside knowledge. This is nothing new, as brick and mortar retailers have store brands for popular products as well. While I'm glad that the move to the internet lets us reevaluate some of the social relations, I have a reeeea…

This is a tired argument.

Amazon doesn’t work like a supermarket: a closer analogy would be a shopping mall also providing cash registers to the stores. Amazon doesn’t buy from the producers nor act as a distributor on most transactions. The risk is all externalized, and they face minimal penalty (no loss of shell space, no stocking risk) by having their product alongside the original one.

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Post by liveoneggs »

dantheman wrote: post #27

It'd be great if states actually focused on real problems like education and medicine instead of going after tech which provides services for free and is generally liked. No one is blaming tech for debt or financial ruin.

Google's abuse of the market takes money away from small businesses (buyers of ads, sellers of ads, displayers of ads) and consolidates that money back into Google's hands. It has a direct trickle down effect on financial ruin by making it less and less possible to operate a small business. The stealing of this money also raises prices on everything else (google-caused inflation) which harms consumers.

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Post by Jensson »

perth wrote: post #161
BrianOnHN wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's that?

Google hijacked my search result with that fine recruiting method at work a few weeks ago. I checked it out with a burner Google account and it seems like it was a recruiting method where they have you solve programming questions on that service[1]. I did a few of the "levels" and they're all just tricky programming questions. However.. Even not signed into an account, which, I don't sign in to any Google services at…

Google has done that for about a decade.

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Post by perth »

Jensson wrote: post #174
perth wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google hijacked my search result with that fine recruiting method at work a few weeks ago. I checked it out with a burner Google account and it seems like it was a recruiting method where they have you solve programming questions on that service[1]. I did a few of the "levels" and they're all just tricky programming questions. However.. Even not signed into an account, which, I don't sign in to any Google services at…

Google has done that for about a decade.

And.. does doing something questionable for a long time make it good? Shouldn't abusing their dominance in the search engine marketplace to poach employees be a pretty big anti-trust thing?

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Post by sidibe »

perth wrote: post #161
BrianOnHN wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's that?

Google hijacked my search result with that fine recruiting method at work a few weeks ago. I checked it out with a burner Google account and it seems like it was a recruiting method where they have you solve programming questions on that service[1]. I did a few of the "levels" and they're all just tricky programming questions. However.. Even not signed into an account, which, I don't sign in to any Google services at…

It has nothing to do with you being on a corp network. I've gotten that on my personal computer

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Post by nojito »

moonchrome wrote: post #171
eitland wrote: post #139

Still waiting for investigators to look into Chrome. In 2009 we were finally getting rid of IE and the web browser market was a healthy ecosystem with lots and lots of innovation happening. Today we are soon back on a browser monoculture with the owner of the most popular product being a company that has enormous interest in killing certain parts of the ecosystem and also has a long history of killing of their own pr…

Safari/WebKit on iOS is a far worse offender. Part of the reason you can't escape the app store tax is because WebKit intentionally gimps webapps. Even Microsoft wasn't this dirty with IE, you could always install other browsers.

Good luck trying to win a monopoly argument on an OS without a majority marketshare.

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Post by mrep »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #72
MereInterest wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly

This tech stuff isn't a natural monopoly. The defining characteristic of a natural monopoly is that customer is paying a large amount per unit to cover costs that stay the same no matter the amount of usage. The per-unit cost for most of this tech stuff is approximately zero, and the ones that aren't zero (e.g. semiconductor manufacturing) have significant unit production costs and are not a natural monopoly either.…

I would argue it basically is because the high fixed costs are from paying the developers to write and maintain good competitive software and the marginal cost of each new user is basically free.

That exactly matches wiki: "A natural monopoly has a high fixed cost for a product that does not depend on output, but its marginal cost of producing one more good is roughly constant, and small."

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Post by perth »

sidibe wrote: post #177
perth wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google hijacked my search result with that fine recruiting method at work a few weeks ago. I checked it out with a burner Google account and it seems like it was a recruiting method where they have you solve programming questions on that service[1]. I did a few of the "levels" and they're all just tricky programming questions. However.. Even not signed into an account, which, I don't sign in to any Google services at…

It has nothing to do with you being on a corp network. I've gotten that on my personal computer

Then how do they choose who to flip the switch on for it? Purely fingerprinting of searches completely at random with no direction?
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