Can they please take samples from living humans and compare them -- compare the tissue from the brains of say einstein (I think its in a jar some place) to some other modern "great brain" -- and compare them between musk and bezos (as an example of two successful, 'peers' currently living)
Study finds a difference between neurons of humans and other mammals
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Re: Study finds a difference between neurons of humans and other mammals
#22>They were able to obtain brain tissue from 10 mammalian species: Etruscan shrews (one of the smallest known mammals), gerbils, mice, rats, Guinea pigs, ferrets, rabbits, marmosets, and macaques, as well as human tissue removed from patients with epilepsy during brain surgery. Offbeat question: Could it be that epilepsy is a disorder caused by this missing ion channel, and this isn't true for all humans?
Epilepsy is a really wide range of disorders with many causes that simply manifest in similar ways.
So it is possible this is a cause of a single type of epilepsy, but not all.
My own epilepsy was the result of spinal damage as a teen that left me temporarily, partially paralyzed. I regained movement but have frequent seizures from the damage.
Similarly a friend had a growth on his brain. Surgery removed it but he was epileptic for about a year after.
Re: Study finds a difference between neurons of humans and other mammals
#23Can they please take samples from living humans and compare them -- compare the tissue from the brains of say einstein (I think its in a jar some place) to some other modern "great brain" -- and compare them between musk and bezos (as an example of two successful, 'peers' currently living)
Does having rich parents at the right place and time really put you in the same category as someone like Einstein, who changed humanity's entire view of reality and the nature of the universe?
Re: Study finds a difference between neurons of humans and other mammals
#24Can they please take samples from living humans and compare them -- compare the tissue from the brains of say einstein (I think its in a jar some place) to some other modern "great brain" -- and compare them between musk and bezos (as an example of two successful, 'peers' currently living)
Does having rich parents at the right place and time really put you in the same category as someone like Einstein, who changed humanity's entire view of reality and the nature of the universe?
I am more interested in seeing if, for example --
You compare the nerons of the father of einstein, with einstein -- then a peer of einstein and their father (or mother/whatever)
To determin if neural pathways are genetic in such a way that we currently dont understand - and if theyse pathways are similar in anyway between two different persons with similar level of intellect.
Re: Study finds a difference between neurons of humans and other mammals
#25Consider what ion channels are evolutionarily. Gaps between cells.
The first proto brains were colonies of cells that lived communally and expressed logic through group dynamics.
Think of a colony of cells on a rock under the ocean. As the sun moves across the sky, the cells have to make a decision to move to the more exposed face of the rock to maximise the capture of solar radiation.
The cells have to communicate because the cells on one side register different quantities of radiant energy to the other side and extremities. So they conduct a poll or a vote. The data is tabulated through intercellular communications, which takes place across the gaps that eventually evolved I to what we know of as ion channels and synapses in modern multi-cellular animals.
Re: Study finds a difference between neurons of humans and other mammals
#26I like the aesthetics of interpreting this through the academically fringe lens of “Quantum mechanics/entanglement plays some role in the human brain and solving the binding problem” and hope this relates more to making quantum-scale events capable of triggering action potentials at a statistically meaningful rate, than it does to mere energy savings.
Re: Study finds a difference between neurons of humans and other mammals
#27Consider what ion channels are evolutionarily. Gaps between cells. The first proto brains were colonies of cells that lived communally and expressed logic through group dynamics. Think of a colony of cells on a rock under the ocean. As the sun moves across the sky, the cells have to make a decision to move to the more exposed face of the rock to maximise the capture of solar radiation. The cells have to communicate b…
This is, in a sense, a microcosm of the argument in Daniel Dennet’s “Consciousness Explained.”
To oversimplify (and potentially butcher): consciousness results from innumerable “drafts” or guesses arising from neural interpretation of sensory input.
From Wikipedia, describing the book:
‘The brain consists of a "bundle of semi-independent agencies";[3] when "content-fixation" takes place in one of these, its effects may propagate so that it leads to the utterance of one of the sentences that make up the story in which the central character is one's "self". Dennett's view of consciousness is that it is the apparently serial account for the brain's underlying process in which multiple calculations are happening at once (that is, parallelism).”
This squares with your observation about likely early cell communication, which led (via many routes) to modern cognitive functioning.
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#28I like the aesthetics of interpreting this through the academically fringe lens of “Quantum mechanics/entanglement plays some role in the human brain and solving the binding problem” and hope this relates more to making quantum-scale events capable of triggering action potentials at a statistically meaningful rate, than it does to mere energy savings.
The aforementioned binding problem, which I'm now reading about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_problem
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Quite, but I don't think GP is jumping to a conclusion. More like proposing an interesting hypothesis.
To say it less politely: To me it seems more like stoner talk. "Quantum entanglement, ... blablabla, ... collective subconscious, ... blablabla, ... everything is connected, man!"
It seems like early modernism, where they discovered something called radiation existed, and immediately decided it must have superpowered positive effects (curing all diseases) rather than being bad or useless.
Re: Study finds a difference between neurons of humans and other mammals
#30They didn’t include a single domesticated animal or cattle! Wouldn’t it be interesting to find out if those animals were closer to our ion channel density?