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U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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I didn't find it in the article, but what is the complaints goal? To break up google from its advertising business?

No. It likely won’t break up Google. It really would have little effect on the consumers, in my opinion. This is about protecting the interests of large advertisers and publishers.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.56...

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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What incentive is there for states to sue over monopolies? Is it simply to advocate for their constituencies?

Upholding the law? Having a functioning market and economy perhaps? It's the government's job to regulate the market.

Abusing your (near) monopoly position to drive out competition is illegal.

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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> antitrust complaint against Alphabet's Google

There’s gonna be high-fives and cigars for all of the lawyers and lobbyists who have successfully executed on the strategy to spin off the ultra-high-revenue-generating but secretly-ultra-toxic asset into a standalone entity before the heat got turned on. J&J is trying to do this with the whole talc thing but it’s probably too late.

I am totally, totally impressed by Google’s government and legal people. They’ve gotten the company out of almost every mess unscathed, and even done something to erase its most senior executives’ rumored associations with Jeffrey Epstein. It’s truly remarkable. In my ultimate fantasy, they’d be working for the greater good, rather than against it, but alas.

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I find it sad that all this is coming from state AGs and not from the DOJ and FTC. It just shows how corrupt our federal institutions are due to regulatory capture [1]. I still remember how Google escaped antitrust enforcement during the Obama presidency. There was a "revolving door" for Google execs and White House officials who would fill positions at both places [2]. When FTC prepared a massive report of Google's…

The DOJ has a lawsuit against Google in the works, it's even mentioned in the article. [[I'm hesitant to provide a citation as I'm not sure of the latest source]]

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It is mentioned in the article, but Google lost an appeal in the EU recently, related to ranking of its price search engine. But one wonders whether that's really such a big deal for Google.

An interesting detail instead arises from the other cases. The one case Google apparently WANTS to settle out of court is the case on the use of data!

Now, this should tell the careful reader quite a bit about what Google thinks is really important here.

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Supposing substantial antitrust actions are taken against Big Tech, would that have any effect on rank-and-file salaries in software? Big Tech kinda sets the bar regarding salaries, no? When MSFT was hit with antitrust action did it have any effect like this? Or is it an apples/orange comparison?

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> The lawsuit also highlights Google's use of a secret program dubbed "Project Bernanke" in 2013 that used bidding data to give its own ad-buying an advantage. For example, in a 2015 iteration of the program, Google allegedly dropped the second-highest bids from publishers' auctions, accumulated money into a pool and then spent that money to inflate only the bids belonging advertisers who used the company's Google Ads. They otherwise would have likely lost the auctions, the states alleged.

Can someone rephrase this and possibly explain like I'm five? I'm not following the mechanics...

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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What incentive is there for states to sue over monopolies? Is it simply to advocate for their constituencies?

Upholding the law? Having a functioning market and economy perhaps? It's the government's job to regulate the market. Abusing your (near) monopoly position to drive out competition is illegal.

> Abusing your (near) monopoly position to drive out competition is illegal.

Yes, but it happens so often with so little attention paid that stories like this more often make me think a politician is looking for election funding rather than trying to enforce the law.

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post #9

I find it sad that all this is coming from state AGs and not from the DOJ and FTC. It just shows how corrupt our federal institutions are due to regulatory capture [1]. I still remember how Google escaped antitrust enforcement during the Obama presidency. There was a "revolving door" for Google execs and White House officials who would fill positions at both places [2]. When FTC prepared a massive report of Google's…

During Obama it didn't seem like the problem it is today.

I'm not saying it wasen't a problem, but America thought these FANG companies were solving our problems.

I never liked Google Executives going to the White House, but I don't think it was because Obama sold out. Tech was very new. Google honestly wanted to help.

It seemed like every young guy wanted to be Zuck. Hell even Zuck thought he could run for president one day.

It was all so inspiring. Now it's just ugly.

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Google does not want documents produced to the DOJ to be shared with the state AGs.

https://ia601404.us.archive.org/8/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.56...

Judge Castel reminded them that they must produce those documents to the state AGs.

https://ia601404.us.archive.org/8/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.56...

Perhaps this team can benefit from the discovery conducted by the DOJ.

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