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Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by lordwarnut » Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 10:42 AM UTC

nabla9 wrote: post #70

The U.S. has the best system of governance in the world. The members of Congress are selected by U.S. citizens and funded by international U.S based companies operating globally. This creates a delicate balance where the interests and goals of all major economies are balanced. The U.S citizens maintain full control of who they vote. At the same time the influencing working trough their mind, and trough their represen…

The U.S. has the best system of governance in the world.

You must be joking or very ignorant.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by cromka » Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 10:49 AM UTC

intricatedetail wrote: post #60

adminscoffee wrote: post #56

until china starts moving for better rights for their citizens, i am afraid they should be held at arms length. cannot trust a government that lies that over 1 million people are just being "re-educationed" and "happy" and "want to be there", there is a reason for distrust and it's not "xenophobic" to point out the regimes bs, the people of china deserve a better government. don't even get me started on hong kong. th…

Bizarre that you have not been downvoted to oblivion. Probably because you didn't use a keyword that summons bots.

You can only downvote on HN after you've acquired enough karma yourself. Bots can't do sh* here, thank you very much.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by tsimionescu » Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 10:51 AM UTC

nabla9 wrote: post #70

The U.S. has the best system of governance in the world. The members of Congress are selected by U.S. citizens and funded by international U.S based companies operating globally. This creates a delicate balance where the interests and goals of all major economies are balanced. The U.S citizens maintain full control of who they vote. At the same time the influencing working trough their mind, and trough their represen…

> Everyone in the world who controls market access or money can have a voice.

So, less than a million people out of the world's 7,000 million?

I truly hope this is sarcasm.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by CyanBird » Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 10:51 AM UTC

dirtyid wrote: post #53

Chinese embassy doing their usual jobs needs an article from reuters now?

I mean, it *is* an effective propaganda weapon, just read around the thread for how so many commenters are othering a country of 1.3 billion people and trying to scheme and find ways to reassure themselves that "it will fail" for x, y, z reason. Completely tone deaf, and just outright evil in my perspective, seems that coexistence only works for the western Industrial Intellectual Complex approved governments.

But again, the conscious and intelligent habits of the masses must be carefully considered and manipulated, and that is a core foundational stone of Democracy per Bernays

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by inglor_cz » Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 10:56 AM UTC

darthrupert wrote: post #62

inglor_cz wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boomers were the ones who started the recent environmental movement, so your quote is rather ironic.

Those boomers were rare and spat on, though. In the current younger generations, enviromentalism is generally accepted as a good idea.

This makes their work all the more precious.

It is not particularly courageous to take a position that is generally accepted as good in your society. It comes with zero personal risk.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by tsimionescu » Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 10:57 AM UTC

0xy wrote: post #27

echelon wrote: post #16

I don't understand why America, long a champion of immigration, doesn't open the floodgates back up. We could onshore factories and staff them from all over the world. Pay workers wages comparable to what they would get from working in factories at home (ie. not "US wages" since we can't compete on cost with China, Vietnam, etc.), but give them decent hours, a housing stipend, education for their kids, and a promise…

Because the US didn't have a giant welfare system when the 'floodgates' were open. Immigrants moved to New York or other places, and worked exceptionally hard to provide for themselves or were forced to return home. Now, they can move to San Francisco and have the city spend thousands of dollars on them for free. It's nearly impossible to starve on US streets today, because there's free food on nearly every street. T…

Migrants everywhere are, as a group, net contributors to welfare programs. You're living in propaganda land if you actually believe the myth of immigrants coming to get welfare: immigrants come to work.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by fumer » Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 11:24 AM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #63

Aunche wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't go so far as to call it racism, but I do find it somewhat xenophobic to suggest that it is wrong to outsource you work to other countries. Why is a Chinese worker any less worthy of a job than an American one? $1 in in a developing country goes further than $10 in a developed one. Globalization has granted billions of people access to things we take for granted like electricity and heating.

We call ourselves “Developed”. It’s already implicitly throwing in the towel - there is nothing more to be done. We’ve already developed. This entire thinking and it’s psyche in our society feels like straight up propaganda. It used to be first-world and third-world. Chinese labor force isn’t going to help defend Taiwan by making tank gadgets for them. Investing in Chinese labor has so many issues. If we didn’t have…

> We call ourselves “Developed”. It’s already implicitly throwing in the towel - there is nothing more to be done. We’ve already developed.

I don't agree with this take. The terms "developed" and "developing" is just a politically correct term to classify countries based on their industrial base.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country

It's use has less to do with developed countries and everything to do with the need to frame the issue as countries working to get where others already are at the moment.

> This entire thinking and it’s psyche in our society feels like straight up propaganda. It used to be first-world and third-world.

I also don't feel you're right here as well. "Third-world" does not refer to a ranking. It was a classification based on where a nation was with regards to the Cold War. Either they're a NATO and NATO-aligned country, a Warsaw pact and USSR country, or you kept yourself out of the cold war and thus were a part of the third world.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

Development and industrialization and economic output had nothing to do with it.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by intricatedetail » Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 11:25 AM UTC

cromka wrote: post #72

intricatedetail wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bizarre that you have not been downvoted to oblivion. Probably because you didn't use a keyword that summons bots.

You can only downvote on HN after you've acquired enough karma yourself. Bots can't do sh* here, thank you very much.

Do you think PR agencies don't maintain such accounts?

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by tasogare » Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 11:26 AM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #36

echelon wrote: post #16

I don't understand why America, long a champion of immigration, doesn't open the floodgates back up. We could onshore factories and staff them from all over the world. Pay workers wages comparable to what they would get from working in factories at home (ie. not "US wages" since we can't compete on cost with China, Vietnam, etc.), but give them decent hours, a housing stipend, education for their kids, and a promise…

> I don't understand why America, long a champion of immigration, doesn't open the floodgates back up. America has never been a champion of immigration, and honestly I don't really remember a time that the 'floodgates were open' so to speak, and it's not even a partisan issue. The last major immigration tightening was Bill Clinton with IIRAIRA in 1996 while the last amnesty was Reagan in 1986. Don't take my word for…

> America has never been a champion of immigration

97.91% of US citizens have immigrant ancestors, if that's not championing immigration nothing is.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by fumer » Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 11:29 AM UTC

arvigeus wrote: post #23

"Promoting a China-free supply chain will inevitably result in a decline in China's demand for U.S. products and American companies loss of market share and revenue in China," Something that China had been pushing for years now…

> Something that China had been pushing for years now…

Given the source and the target of said message, it reads like a mob-like "you have a nice business here, it would be a shame if something happened to it".