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Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by justicezyx »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #3

I wonder if the onset of globalization and offshoring US factories to China on top of Citizens United will be remembered as the US's "Fall of Rome" moment. The US essentially allowed the government to be bought and paid for by foreign entities and is relying on said countries for most manufactured goods. So now the other country can essentially say "Our laws are your laws otherwise we're not going manufacture your go…

US power is already bought by the US businesses...

CCP as the representative of the China Corp, is coming to buy their influence...

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by guidedlight »

echelon wrote: post #16

I don't understand why America, long a champion of immigration, doesn't open the floodgates back up. We could onshore factories and staff them from all over the world. Pay workers wages comparable to what they would get from working in factories at home (ie. not "US wages" since we can't compete on cost with China, Vietnam, etc.), but give them decent hours, a housing stipend, education for their kids, and a promise…

You’re solution sounds similar to what places like Dubai are known for. i.e. Paying foreign impoverished wages in a wealthy country in exchange for work, housing, etc.

Companies generally have a poor track record of investing in their employees.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by d4v3 »

rvba wrote: post #15
labster wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it is the “fall of Rome moment”, I’m not exactly worried. It took nearly a millennium for Rome to fall — and even that depends on whether or not you consider the Holy Roman Empire or the Ottoman Empire to be true successor states.

So basically you dont care what happens when you die? Sounds like boomer logic. "A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit."

> Sounds like boomer logic.

A little ageist, are we?

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by rp1 »

labster wrote: post #10
MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #3

I wonder if the onset of globalization and offshoring US factories to China on top of Citizens United will be remembered as the US's "Fall of Rome" moment. The US essentially allowed the government to be bought and paid for by foreign entities and is relying on said countries for most manufactured goods. So now the other country can essentially say "Our laws are your laws otherwise we're not going manufacture your go…

If it is the “fall of Rome moment”, I’m not exactly worried. It took nearly a millennium for Rome to fall — and even that depends on whether or not you consider the Holy Roman Empire or the Ottoman Empire to be true successor states.

Ah yes, the early middle ages that everyone agrees was a wonderful time, full of peace, economic prosperity, and progress /s.

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by labster »

rvba wrote: post #15
labster wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it is the “fall of Rome moment”, I’m not exactly worried. It took nearly a millennium for Rome to fall — and even that depends on whether or not you consider the Holy Roman Empire or the Ottoman Empire to be true successor states.

So basically you dont care what happens when you die? Sounds like boomer logic. "A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit."

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

    Surely some revelation is at hand;
    Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
    The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
    When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
    Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
    A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
    A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
    Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
    Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
    The darkness drops again; but now I know
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by 0xy »

echelon wrote: post #16

I don't understand why America, long a champion of immigration, doesn't open the floodgates back up. We could onshore factories and staff them from all over the world. Pay workers wages comparable to what they would get from working in factories at home (ie. not "US wages" since we can't compete on cost with China, Vietnam, etc.), but give them decent hours, a housing stipend, education for their kids, and a promise…

Because the US didn't have a giant welfare system when the 'floodgates' were open.

Immigrants moved to New York or other places, and worked exceptionally hard to provide for themselves or were forced to return home.

Now, they can move to San Francisco and have the city spend thousands of dollars on them for free.

It's nearly impossible to starve on US streets today, because there's free food on nearly every street.

This fact naturally attracts low intelligence economic migrants who don't have the conscientiousness or work ethic of early New York immigrants. We've seen it in Europe. The vast majority of the migrants (who settled in the places with the best welfare systems, not the closest safe country) do not work and do not contribute to society. There's also evidence they push crime up, as well as having values that are fundamentally illiberal (for example, wanting to criminalize homosexuality and supporting terrorist groups).

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by lazyeye »

lumost wrote: post #7
rp1 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think both Citizen's United and the allowance of asymmetric trade with China (e.g. China's currency manipulation, IP theft, restrictions on companies operating in China, etc.) are both symptoms of a much larger problem. The U.S. is being dismantled by the capitalist / owner class for personal profit. Very few decisions are made in the government that promote the long-term health of the system. This trend spans the…

The underlying question is why? Surely this activity could have started in 1950,1920, 1890 or any other year. What change occurred that seemingly has removed any long term/societal concerns from the minds of leaders?

Its quite simple. With the advent of globalisation the self-interest of the elites is no longer in alignment with the national interest.

They can make money far more easily by employing Chinese workers, growing Chinese industry, than they do local.

And of course, anyone that pushes back against this is (conveniently) a "xenophobic, racist, white supremacist, Trump-voting blah blah blah...".

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by chihuahua »

labster wrote: post #10
MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #3

I wonder if the onset of globalization and offshoring US factories to China on top of Citizens United will be remembered as the US's "Fall of Rome" moment. The US essentially allowed the government to be bought and paid for by foreign entities and is relying on said countries for most manufactured goods. So now the other country can essentially say "Our laws are your laws otherwise we're not going manufacture your go…

If it is the “fall of Rome moment”, I’m not exactly worried. It took nearly a millennium for Rome to fall — and even that depends on whether or not you consider the Holy Roman Empire or the Ottoman Empire to be true successor states.

I think the Ottoman Empire cannot be considered a successor of Rome - did you mean the Byzantine Empire? (aka Eastern Roman Empire)

Re: Chinese embassy lobbies U.S. business to oppose China bills

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Post by asplake »

lazyeye wrote: post #28
lumost wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The underlying question is why? Surely this activity could have started in 1950,1920, 1890 or any other year. What change occurred that seemingly has removed any long term/societal concerns from the minds of leaders?

Its quite simple. With the advent of globalisation the self-interest of the elites is no longer in alignment with the national interest. They can make money far more easily by employing Chinese workers, growing Chinese industry, than they do local. And of course, anyone that pushes back against this is (conveniently) a "xenophobic, racist, white supremacist, Trump-voting blah blah blah...".

That last part was both unnecessary and wrong. Globalisation has plenty of opponents on the left too.
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