We just released a rewrite of an (web)app today so lot’s of support calls and mails. Really unfortunate timing, hah
So what you're saying is, you brought down Google with your rewrite. :)
Google Outage in Europe
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#152Didn't even noticed. Work doesn't use any GCloud components and personally its been a while since I've degoogled myself. No Google docs, mail or search. Not even the quad 8 nameservers.
Downvoted from people who are jealous, perhaps?
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#153Is it me or are big provider outages getting more common these days?
ask anybody who researches complex and distributed systems and see what they say.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's just you, probably recency bias. I recall the days of Gmail being globally down for hours, more than once (3 times, IIRC), back in 2009.
I also can't think of the last time I saw Twitter's Failwhale, which almost became their default mascot at one point. (Yes, I know they discontinued it, but I haven't seen the service "over capacity" in some time. I say this as a casual web user of it, not an active account holder or app user).
Twitter had a global outage this year (April 16).
Facebook had an October outage.
This happens quite regularly with distributed and complex systems.
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#155Outage reports in UTC, amazing! ( glares at AWS )
I want to smack whomever invented time zones.
Everyone is bad at them. Trading desks, international trade offices, space related offices all have a set of clocks on the wall because even really smart people just suck at figuring out time zones. I even use https://everytimezone.com/ in lieu of a set of clocks.
What a needless complication. I wish we could all just switch to UTC and stop daylight savings time.
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Googler here, not speaking on the behalf of the company, my opinions are my own People do absolutely NOT get fired over incidents. Making mistakes is human. An incident will prompt a review of the systems and safeguards in place to prevent such an incident, much like an airline incident investigation - basically "somebody fat-fingered it" is never the answer, postmortems are always blameless EDIT: now that I think of…
> Googler here, not speaking on the behalf of the company, my opinions are my own Why do employees at big tech names (FAANG et al.) are so often so cautious as to include this as a foreword everywhere? Twitter bios are full of that, for instance. It is crazy to me; who would expect anything else that our opinions being your own and nothing more? Who would expect that your word (with all due respect) is worth anything…
It s because they only hire idiots at Google. Im from a big company, I just dont name it and assume humans understand my opinions are my own :D
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Googler here, not speaking on the behalf of the company, my opinions are my own Why do employees at big tech names (FAANG et al.) are so often so cautious as to include this as a foreword everywhere? Twitter bios are full of that, for instance. It is crazy to me; who would expect anything else that our opinions being your own and nothing more? Who would expect that your word (with all due respect) is worth anything…
Can't speak for other companies, but this is covered in basic training at Google - if you're not authorized to speak on behalf of the company, you must make it clear when your writings may be mistaken or constructed to represent the company. Basically the company has specially trained people that speak on behalf of the company, and that message should not be confounded by personal opinions of other employees. For exa…
Every company says that, the obvious solution is to never name it when you speak. Why do these people need to say "Im a googler" and then immediately "but forget it, I speak on my own"... obviously there s value in the fact they re at Google and it will color their discourse which is already probably forbidden.
Dont name your company if you intend to speak for yourself.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Googler here, not speaking on the behalf of the company, my opinions are my own Why do employees at big tech names (FAANG et al.) are so often so cautious as to include this as a foreword everywhere? Twitter bios are full of that, for instance. It is crazy to me; who would expect anything else that our opinions being your own and nothing more? Who would expect that your word (with all due respect) is worth anything…
I work at a large tech company, and they do mention in the on boarding materials that we represent the company, so we should be careful in our social media profiles. My solution to this is to not associate my social media profiles with my employer. This is technically not really what we’re supposed to do, and I might have to change that approach at some point if I move high enough in the org to start getting attentio…
Yet all these googlers breached it immediately in the first sentence by naming their company...
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139,995 employees at Google * 1,000,000 = $139,995,000,000 $140 billion dollars. On training. On the one hand... you know what, I'd love to work in an environment like that. Seriously. On the other hand... what's the argument you make to the CFO in support of this? Honest question, interested to hear answers.
I work part time in the Army. In the Army when you go from their equivalent of junior to mid-level they take you out of your job for eight months of dedicated personal development, before you start your first mid-level job. When you go to their equivalent of senior they take you out for a year . I don't know how much that costs all-in, including the salaries, instructors, facilities, but might be starting to approach…
But the army is a cost center! The workers have some money shaved off their salary to pay for an army that allows delinquents and half-disabled to pew-pew guns in the forest, leaving them in peace. It's not comparable to a productive entreprise that needs to build things for people or perish.
For instance, if Google fails and cant profit, it cant just shoot at their client until they pay. Your organisation can.
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> logical conclusion regarding the spiky yearly activity Why is it logical? There’s tons of changes being deployed at all times, at all large companies. Across products, verticals, everything - hundreds of changes at any given point. Some of these changes can introduce hard-to-predict bugs in globally distributed systems. Most of the time, external users don’t even notice before they’re fixed. Like another commenter…
Hypothetically speaking? 11 months a year there's no incentive to cut corners and only do 2 weeks of testing on something that really needs 3. If one month a year rushing things out with a bit less testing is rewarded, I can believe some people would respond to that. Of course, I wouldn't go as far as to call this a "logical conclusion" as the evidence I've seen is very slim.
Except that there are two a year at Google., so it's 10 months of the year, 5 and 5, and Covid's made everything weird.