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Scattered thoughts on why I waste my own time

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Re: Scattered thoughts on why I waste my own time

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I think from an evolutionary perspective most of us aren't wired for long focused mental work, especially not after studying/working the whole day already (that's why most side projects fail). It had very little evolutionary gain throughout history. I think life was mostly about surviving physically and then socializing and chatting/games in rest time. I'd note that even when we lived in caves we had to do mental work (like building a shelter) but it was never for months or years end and it was always very physical. The physical part makes it much easier to persevere for biological reasons (adrenaline, edrophins etc), and also our survival was at stake (!). Compare that to learning to play the violin which has no significance to survival at all.

So it makes sense to me many of us have an inner resistance when we want to exercise/read a hard book/learn to play the piano even though intellectually we prefer those activities. The people who still manage to do that and persevere somehow have a subconscious that values those activities highly. It's the best explanation I can come up with - it is what it is because of how we are wired and because fast gratification activities made a lot of sense when we lived in caves.

Re: Scattered thoughts on why I waste my own time

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If you have such a hard time not reading reddit or hackernews maybe the correct conclusion is not that you're 'wasting' time but that there's something enjoyable about so called low quality or idle activities and that they're normal part of a healthy life. I think it's deeply ironic that people will judge videogames on that basis but then to proceed to gamify and min-max their entire life because of this rat race men…

I spend on average[1] 4+ hours a day here, reddit or 4chan. I wish I had spent the time on other pursuits that I have consistently found more enjoyable and rewarding. 4chan in particular usually leaves me feeling some subtle mixture of mentally nauseous and despondent, although I laugh a lot and find interesting things I don't elsewhere. My over-browsing habit is absolutely an unhealthy and compulsive behavior. I'm 3…

As somebody who found it far easier to give up nicotine than 4chan, I empathize.

Re: Scattered thoughts on why I waste my own time

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If you have such a hard time not reading reddit or hackernews maybe the correct conclusion is not that you're 'wasting' time but that there's something enjoyable about so called low quality or idle activities and that they're normal part of a healthy life. I think it's deeply ironic that people will judge videogames on that basis but then to proceed to gamify and min-max their entire life because of this rat race men…

I spend on average[1] 4+ hours a day here, reddit or 4chan. I wish I had spent the time on other pursuits that I have consistently found more enjoyable and rewarding. 4chan in particular usually leaves me feeling some subtle mixture of mentally nauseous and despondent, although I laugh a lot and find interesting things I don't elsewhere. My over-browsing habit is absolutely an unhealthy and compulsive behavior. I'm 3…

> Interestingly, when I travel, my relationship with browsing changes. The feeling of "magnetic attention" (present even right now) is entirely absent and I lose interest after 5 minutes, max.

Oh wow, interesting that you mention it because I experience the same. Can and do spend hours a day looking at random stuff on various forums / youtube / hn. But once I'm out traveling the need disappears and it just doesn't seem to grip as much anymore.

I believe the almost obsessive browsing is some kind of escape or avoidance mechanism. An escape from being somewhere doing something that you don't want to be doing. It is an easy of taking the mind of whatever is going on in reality. Not that it helps much.

Re: Scattered thoughts on why I waste my own time

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If you have such a hard time not reading reddit or hackernews maybe the correct conclusion is not that you're 'wasting' time but that there's something enjoyable about so called low quality or idle activities and that they're normal part of a healthy life. I think it's deeply ironic that people will judge videogames on that basis but then to proceed to gamify and min-max their entire life because of this rat race men…

Or maybe you could credit that people can sometimes recognize which urges toward consumption are unhealthy?

I agree the rat race mentality is also bad. But it shouldn't surprise anybody that products engineered to be compelling end up with some people feeling over-compelled to consume.

Re: Scattered thoughts on why I waste my own time

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For a year I've been constantly thinking about this state and how there must be way way more people with the same experience. I recently managed to ask a few people about their current situation. And indeed, they too share this experience. Thank you for the short "Absence of more meaningful activities" paragraph. I was about to head down a rabbithole and procrastinate higher priority tasks but the text reminded me of…

link: https://hubermanlab.com/adhd-and-how-anyone-can-improve-thei...

Re: Scattered thoughts on why I waste my own time

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If only you didn't waste your time playing games! You'd be able to afford a Ferrari by now! So do you play games? Of course not. So, where's your Ferrari?

Point taken, but the opportunity cost of a heavy game addition is plausibly six or seven figures, depending on the person's other skills and goals.

Re: Scattered thoughts on why I waste my own time

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If you have such a hard time not reading reddit or hackernews maybe the correct conclusion is not that you're 'wasting' time but that there's something enjoyable about so called low quality or idle activities and that they're normal part of a healthy life. I think it's deeply ironic that people will judge videogames on that basis but then to proceed to gamify and min-max their entire life because of this rat race men…

I spend on average[1] 4+ hours a day here, reddit or 4chan. I wish I had spent the time on other pursuits that I have consistently found more enjoyable and rewarding. 4chan in particular usually leaves me feeling some subtle mixture of mentally nauseous and despondent, although I laugh a lot and find interesting things I don't elsewhere. My over-browsing habit is absolutely an unhealthy and compulsive behavior. I'm 3…

As someone bouncing from different addictions of sorts through my life (gambling, some recreational drugs, overwork, compulsive browsing, video games, etc.) - I’ve found that breaking that compulsive browsing habit was fairly easy with good blockers. A lot of it was just kind of a learned habit. I’m bored or tired for a nanosecond, better pull up a stimulating website and get a hit. When I get a boring error page instead I snap out of the craving. I also started on genmay and SA and kept going until this year when I realized I have a problem

Re: Scattered thoughts on why I waste my own time

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The Hook with sites like Reddit, HN, etc is that they ARE addictive. Actually addictive in the sense of gambling. In gambling addiction the gamblers aren't addicted to winning, they are addicted to losing, or "almost winning". Now if they never ever won the addiction wouldn't form. If they ALWAYS won the addiction also wouldn't form.

The old thing was email that people were addicted to checking because you MIGHT get an interesting email. It's the same way with training a dog. You don't always give them a treat for behavior. If you only randomly give them a treat they are more likely to perform the behavior because they don't want to miss the reward. If they know they will get the reward then they know the exact opportunity cost and can weigh that against performing the behavior.

That's how social media and more specifically sites like reddit and HN are addictive.

I think we all feel that we occasionally get some beneficial information from them. I know I do, and even this very post I feel has some benefit. But we also see it as time wasting because the majority of the time, that's what it is.

But we are compelled to continually check because of the fear of missing out on some piece of beneficial information. If we were always presented with good information then we could more easily delay checking the sites.

Re: Scattered thoughts on why I waste my own time

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read digital minimalism, install pihole on your network, use Tailscale for DNS to point it there, implement blocks on the offending websites and categories. Make your smart phone dumb so you are limited to what you can do, and get an offline hobby. Be easy on yourself, you will relapse, and realize that nearly everything on a digital platform can be shut off and ignored with the click (or long press) of a button. Set…

This kind of thing works to begin with at least.. when that browser plugin in chrome stops me opening HN after 1hour it interrupts the impulse to browse, but then I can alway just open Firefox.. Limits outside ones control are best.. it's amazing how uninteresting youtube is when your data is rate limited.

Use a network level solution and don’t do a 1h block. Do a 365 day block to begin with. We’re like those rats with the cocaine button we keep pressing unless you can somehow disable it and go do something else with your time.

Re: Scattered thoughts on why I waste my own time

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I have felt this in my own life. The idea of wasting my time away mindlessly consuming internet content like social media, memes, news articles, etc, as well as the comments attached to them. It's in a way the boob-tube of the current year, even though the original boob-tube still exists. I see a few other posters mention that time enjoyed is not time wasted. However, for me at least, there's an emptiness to those ac…

I totally agree and I am not worried about my productivity. It’s just that these activities kind of suck and are simply short term rewarding but long term soulless. I’ve reclaimed some of that time for simple things like reading interesting (not work related) books, being present with people in my life, being alone with my thoughts, meditation, taking a walk. It’s quite a big change to not be constantly bombarded and numbed by the tidal wave of content
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