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Microsoft Benchmarks Upcoming AMD Milan-X CPU

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Re: Microsoft Benchmarks Upcoming AMD Milan-X CPU

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It's good to see Microsoft supports AMD now. With recent benchmark of M1 family chip, I hope Windows don't support M1 chip, at least for now. I would like to see how AMD and Intel can do to change this performance game.

AMD has been the supplier for XBox console CPUs for a while now.

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Azure is the new darling "OS" for Microsoft, we are back into the mainframe/UNIX server days anyway. Besides third party distributions, Microsoft now has three flavours of their own as well. Azure Sphere OS, CBL-Mariner, then their Android flavours (althought it isn't really Linux) and RTOS like Azure RTOS. Still owns the desktop, but since the internal political wars for the ultimate GUI framework started, I have st…

> the internal political wars for the ultimate GUI framework started Any more info about this?

Easy, Windows Forms, WPF, WinRT/UAP/UWP with WinUI 2.x, WinUI 3.0 for desktop, Blazor for WebAssembly, but also for web widgets in MAUI, and MAUI naturally.

Then in what concerns XAML, MAUI uses the one from Xamarin, instead of adopting the one from WinUI/UWP.

WinUI 3.0 is supposed to be the future, but has so many bugs and missing features, that Windows 11 is actually using WinUI 2.7 with UWP still.

All of those UIs catering for developer attention, makeing their point why their framework and not the one from another group.

Safest bets now are to stay with Win32, Forms/WPF or go Web.

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I don’t think x64 is ever going to backtrack to the power efficiency that arm offers. The real scare is if apple comes out with a new xserve with blades of arm processors.

It's coming. My prediction is Apple will start doing server chips not too long from now, at least for internal use. This is going to be especially important as they emphasize their services more and more over their hardware.

Apple Services aren't the same as their hardware.

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> the internal political wars for the ultimate GUI framework started Any more info about this?

Easy, Windows Forms, WPF, WinRT/UAP/UWP with WinUI 2.x, WinUI 3.0 for desktop, Blazor for WebAssembly, but also for web widgets in MAUI, and MAUI naturally. Then in what concerns XAML, MAUI uses the one from Xamarin, instead of adopting the one from WinUI/UWP. WinUI 3.0 is supposed to be the future, but has so many bugs and missing features, that Windows 11 is actually using WinUI 2.7 with UWP still. All of those UIs…

Hmmm... I know. Thought it was a new war.

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>It is a shame that many sites didn't behaved like this when Threadripper was launched and basically said that the architecture was inefficient at using so many cores or the software simply was not ready yet. Phoronix was one of the few which did it right. I found it jaw-dropping how badly Microsoft handled that release. In some cases, the best way to improve multithreaded performance under Windows was to disable thr…

This narrative doesn’t jive with the Windows NT development history and its support for Alpha, PowerPC, etc. As well as Windows CE historical range of processor support.

It is a common view that the "wintel" architecture "monopoly" sucked investment that could feed other more efficient architectures than x86. It is known that NT supported many different architectures, mostly thanks to its VMS heritage, and CE supported POWER and even ARM. But as soon as the desktop became the strongest cash cow, I think other options were kept mostly as lifeboat options.

Re: Microsoft Benchmarks Upcoming AMD Milan-X CPU

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I was coming here to say: "Windows has an insignificant (actually 0% for a few years) market in top500. It is not a good benchmark for a processor with such a big number of cores.". Then was surprised to see that it was run in CentOS. It is a shame that many sites didn't behaved like this when Threadripper was launched and basically said that the architecture was inefficient at using so many cores or the software sim…

Like any major tech company, Microsoft runs a lot of Linux installations. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean all they care about is Windows.

After all "linux is communism" and " linux is a cancer" they are very happy with the communist cancer. Makes you wonder.

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>It is a shame that many sites didn't behaved like this when Threadripper was launched and basically said that the architecture was inefficient at using so many cores or the software simply was not ready yet. Phoronix was one of the few which did it right. I found it jaw-dropping how badly Microsoft handled that release. In some cases, the best way to improve multithreaded performance under Windows was to disable thr…

There are plenty of reasons to be critical of MS, but they sell a lot of ARM machines these days...[1] 1: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/business/surface-pro...

So what ? Surface is a toy for rich people. It is not a real computer.

Re: Microsoft Benchmarks Upcoming AMD Milan-X CPU

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It's good to see Microsoft supports AMD now. With recent benchmark of M1 family chip, I hope Windows don't support M1 chip, at least for now. I would like to see how AMD and Intel can do to change this performance game.

When did Microsoft not "support" AMD CPUs? It truly would not make any difference if Microsoft "supported" the M1 CPU, as Apple does not sell it to anyone without the rest of Apple computer attached to it. I mean, you can run Windows VMs on M1 computers now, with something like Parallels. But perhaps not more directly, as with Boot Camp? > I would like to see how AMD and Intel can do to change this performance game W…

K6 ? AFAIK "Wintel " is not a joke. MS only cares about intel.

Re: Microsoft Benchmarks Upcoming AMD Milan-X CPU

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>It is a shame that many sites didn't behaved like this when Threadripper was launched and basically said that the architecture was inefficient at using so many cores or the software simply was not ready yet. Phoronix was one of the few which did it right. I found it jaw-dropping how badly Microsoft handled that release. In some cases, the best way to improve multithreaded performance under Windows was to disable thr…

There are plenty of reasons to be critical of MS, but they sell a lot of ARM machines these days...[1] 1: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/business/surface-pro...

ISA is largely irrelevant these days. The Wintel cartel helped stave off ARM's relevance, but now that war is over.

That isn't what I'm talking about. There are other architectural innovations that could be made except for the fact that they work badly on Windows. Such as Threadripper's NUMA configuration, which isn't even particularly exotic.

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It's coming. My prediction is Apple will start doing server chips not too long from now, at least for internal use. This is going to be especially important as they emphasize their services more and more over their hardware.

Apple Services aren't the same as their hardware.

Well, no shit. I was pointing out that they're placing more and more importance on being a services company rather than a hardware/product company. As that emphasis on services grows they'll probably switch to their own silicon for their cloud stuff which their services will run on.
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