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Apple's early success stemmed from a tiny 20kb computer program they didn't make

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Re: Apple's early success stemmed from a tiny 20kb computer program they didn't make

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Really the entire personal computer industry's early success was due to VisiCalc, followed by Lotus 1-2-3. Likewise for WordStar, then WordPerfect. It was the first thing I ever heard referred to in the press as a "killer app", which I think of every time someone here makes the claim that nobody called applications "apps" before the iOS App Store.

I actually used Microsoft Multiplan for a short time.

Both Lotus 1-2-3 and Symphony remain embedded in my muscle memory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplan

Re: Apple's early success stemmed from a tiny 20kb computer program they didn't make

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Really the entire personal computer industry's early success was due to VisiCalc, followed by Lotus 1-2-3. Likewise for WordStar, then WordPerfect. It was the first thing I ever heard referred to in the press as a "killer app", which I think of every time someone here makes the claim that nobody called applications "apps" before the iOS App Store.

> every time someone here makes the claim that nobody called applications "apps" before the iOS App Store.

Also I remember that many warez sites used to have a section called “appz” where you could find cracked applications for Windows. This was before the iPhone even existed.

Re: Apple's early success stemmed from a tiny 20kb computer program they didn't make

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This is crazy petty, I know, but the article starts with “You’ve never heard of Dan or Bob. But you should have.” I mean, I do know about VisiCalc. But even if I didn’t, don’t try to shame me for it — learning is awesome. This kind of negging from a blog post always makes me dismiss it as linkbait even when the subject matter (as with this piece) is actually pretty good.

No one is shaming you. This is a critique of history failing to emphasize the importance of Dan and Bob, not a critique of what you know.

I don't even understand how someone reads that sentence and then assumes it is an attack on them, the reader. It's such a common literary refrain "You've never heard of FOO, but you should have".

Re: Apple's early success stemmed from a tiny 20kb computer program they didn't make

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

storage medium = what people used before we all ascended to the cloud, in case anyone was wondering

wondering = what we used to do before the internet, if anyone was curious

HN is not turning into reddit at all.

Re: Apple's early success stemmed from a tiny 20kb computer program they didn't make

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the title is clickbait. But there has been endless snide commentary over the past 4-5 decades about Excel and Word being ripoffs of other companies' inventions. Hell, Microsoft famously didn't develop MS-DOS !

DOS = disk operating system for anyone curious

Wouldn’t that be DOSFAC?

Re: Apple's early success stemmed from a tiny 20kb computer program they didn't make

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Really the entire personal computer industry's early success was due to VisiCalc, followed by Lotus 1-2-3. Likewise for WordStar, then WordPerfect. It was the first thing I ever heard referred to in the press as a "killer app", which I think of every time someone here makes the claim that nobody called applications "apps" before the iOS App Store.

Terminologically speaking, it's always been applications in the Apple world, since at least the Macintosh in 1984. The type for an executable program was APPL. And I don't think that's for "Apple", though it's a sound association marketers might like.

It does makes sense to distinguish the software on the machine you run to maintain the machine (most software, once upon a time) from the software you run to do your actual work. Now that iOS and Android are mostly set it and forget it, I'm not surprised app has come back. Though the App Store is surely an influence.

Re: Apple's early success stemmed from a tiny 20kb computer program they didn't make

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This is crazy petty, I know, but the article starts with “You’ve never heard of Dan or Bob. But you should have.” I mean, I do know about VisiCalc. But even if I didn’t, don’t try to shame me for it — learning is awesome. This kind of negging from a blog post always makes me dismiss it as linkbait even when the subject matter (as with this piece) is actually pretty good.

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Re: Apple's early success stemmed from a tiny 20kb computer program they didn't make

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I don’t read it as anti-Apple, maybe I don’t have that annoyance sensor. If you remember the phrase “killer app”, the OG killer app was Visicalc. People would buy your thing if it had a killer app. There were a great many more options for computers at the time. Were you going to get an Amiga, a TRS-80, a Commodore 64, a Sinclair, or any of the others?

Apple didn’t make the software that made it so successful. Not a problem, we all need friends.

Re: Apple's early success stemmed from a tiny 20kb computer program they didn't make

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Really the entire personal computer industry's early success was due to VisiCalc, followed by Lotus 1-2-3. Likewise for WordStar, then WordPerfect. It was the first thing I ever heard referred to in the press as a "killer app", which I think of every time someone here makes the claim that nobody called applications "apps" before the iOS App Store.

There's some nuance there though, "killer app" is sometimes short for "application" in the sense of "use" not "program"[1]. When Steve Jobs said "the killer app is making calls." in the iPhone intro, he wasn't talking about the dialer app. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_application#Usage

That was his attempt to stretch and own the term. The term that had been credited instead of St. Jobs with Apple's success.
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