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Re: Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful, has died

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facepalm What definition of social awareness are you using to make that assertion?

The first definition that came up in Google seems to apply: “social awareness: The ability to take the perspective of and empathize with others.” If you have literally* not any of that, you might need to have a procedural/analytical rule to tell you “Jokes at someone else’s expense = bad” Then, having the necessity to apply that rule, you would need to be able to evaluate “is this contemplated joke going to be at som…

>The first definition that came up in Google seems to apply: “social awareness: The ability to take the perspective of and empathize with others.”

Yeah, that's not what autism assessments mean by "social awareness". When it comes to autism, social awareness is more narrowly defined to be literally that: ability to be aware of what's going on in social settings. This would be things like "reading social cues", "reading emotions", etc. (See [1]). However, let's proceed with your definition.

>If you have literally* not any of that, you might need to have a procedural/analytical rule to tell you “Jokes at someone else’s expense = bad”

First, as I said, autistic people can take perspective of others and empathize with others. What's lacking is the ability to do that through indirect communication, aka "getting the hint".

Second, I do have a rule, and that procedural rule is known as "learning from history", or "taking 5 seconds to google the link between hateful jokes and violence".

The full version of the rule is " Jokes at someone else's expense = bad whenever the people joked about are defined by a characteristic not resulting from their choice".

There are many examples in history how racist / sexist humor being normalized correlated with hate and violence; how "just joking" is used as an excuse to push an agenda[2][3].

You can analyze what makes a joke funny. Take the joke that got a juror dismissed from the Rittenhouse hearings ("Why did the cop shoot Jacob Blake seven times? Because he ran out of bullets"). Its punchline is, effectively, "Because you don't need a reason to murder a black person".

Now, if a black person makes this joke, it can be seen as gallows humor - a commentary on the grim situation they find themselves in while interacting with the police - the reality that they don't get to choose. A black person saying "our lives are worth nothing" is calling your attention to a serious problem.

A white person making that joke would be making fun at Jacob Blake's expense (as well as other people killed by police). A white person saying "black people's lives are worth nothing" - well, given the history of racial violence, the premise that this is the person's actual belief may not be excluded; and telling this joke without additional context is harmful, because it would simply reinforce this idea, and put black people in more danger.

There are very good reasons why we should avoid laughing at characteristics that people don't get to choose. I can go on, however - does the above satisfy your inference criteria?

Perhaps it does require * a shred * of social awareness, but to say that autistic people don't have that much would be simply false.

[1]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/erv.2736

[2]https://www.npr.org/2021/04/26/990274685/how-extremists-weap...

[3]https://gap.hks.harvard.edu/sexist-humor-and-rape-proclivity...

Re: Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful, has died

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Allegations need not be true...

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. For some reason modern society paints women as incapable of lying ever so if it's an allegation by a woman it must be true. And if you don't believe it you're victim-blaming. Women are just as vicious as men.

This seems like a vague generalization. In this case it was Lowtax vs all 3 of his ex wives corroborating the same story.

Re: Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful, has died

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As an autistic: no. Lack of social awareness isn't an excuse for rape and abuse jokes. You don't need any social awareness to figure out that you shouldn't do that. The concept of "jokes at someone else's expense = bad" isn't hard to grasp for an analytical mind. Autism is not stupidity. You are not doing "autists" any favor by trying to excuse this behavior. (Also, for some reason , autistic women aren't seen joking…

There's (famously) a spectrum for autism, and individual differences in any case. You can't speak for the whole spectrum just for placing somewhere on it.

Oh, but the parent comment gets to speak for the whole spectrum by saying that autistic people wouldn't know that they shouldn't make rape jokes in public because they are autistic? Without citing any sources, or having any qualifications to do so, or even claiming to speak from personal experience?

Perhaps you should direct your comment to them.

Re: Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful, has died

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There's a reason human nature is to criticize and focus on flaws - that's how progress is made. Great achievements speak for themselves. In most cases, people readily adopt proven new practices or inventions, flock to groundbreaking ideas, and celebrate those who produce them. Meanwhile, they will happily stay silent about uncomfortable truths. Who dares pipe up about the charismatic but incompetent colleague? The su…

I feel like we’re in a period of overcorrection where we’re not simply acknowledging flaws with accomplishments, we’re now letting the flaw become the lead narrative about a person when it may be one of the objectively smaller details about them in the scope of their accomplishments.

But in the case of Lowtax, the flaws- not only his abusive personal life but his petty webmaster dictatorship, his incompetent inability to monetize, his misanthropic persona- is part and parcel of his public profile. It’s how he’s always been regarded by the goons. Because Something Awful has always been a place to embrace misanthropy, antisocial ridicule, and looking at the crappy side of things.

If anything, to remember his flaws is to engage in the same spirit of mockery that he pioneered. It’s completely apt in this case, and to do otherwise and to whitewash would be to completely miss the point of this man’s life and accomplishments.

Re: Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful, has died

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You list some really good reasons why joking about rape is a bad idea. I agree with them. However... Hate to be Captain Obvious again Any chance Captain Logical Consistency is around? I feel like your heart is in the right place, but your logic is alllllll over the place. [unlike a rape joke, the joke about murdering telemarketers is okay because of] the reality that telemarketers aren't being actually murdered en ma…

To answer your questions: >OK, so let me get this straight. Only actual, literal sexual assault survivors can joke about it and have their jokes justified as gallows humor? I never said only , did I? I said that in this context , it would be gallows humor. By definition , gallows humor is joking about a grim situation that the person making the joke finds themselves in . A rape victim joking about rape in that way wo…

Yeah, sorry, you're really all over the place, contradicting yourself, willfully misreading, etc.

Listen, though: your heart's in the right place. That's really the important thing.

Re: Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful, has died

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post #263

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>Yesterday I recieved a divorce ruling that would help me and my daughter stay in our home in Canada and allow me to provide a good life for her as well as pay back numerous debts that had accrued during the past two years when I was receiving $350 a month in child support. Wow, another victim of the family court system. Sad to see CA's system is just as screwed as the US. Translation: A judge gave me everything I wa…

I would not so quick to judge the circumstances surround their divorce. There are quite serious allegations of physical and financial abuse lasting for years. https://www.gofundme.com/f/helping-a-friend-in-hiding

He seems to deny the allegations here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/still-amazed-at-39693289

Re: Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful, has died

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I would not so quick to judge the circumstances surround their divorce. There are quite serious allegations of physical and financial abuse lasting for years. https://www.gofundme.com/f/helping-a-friend-in-hiding

He seems to deny the allegations here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/still-amazed-at-39693289

"Seems" to, but does he? He goes on about how "never been convicted or found guilty of doing shit", points out (correctly) that anyone can allege anything on the internet -- but I don't see him actually deny any of the accusations?

Re: Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful, has died

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To answer your questions: >OK, so let me get this straight. Only actual, literal sexual assault survivors can joke about it and have their jokes justified as gallows humor? I never said only , did I? I said that in this context , it would be gallows humor. By definition , gallows humor is joking about a grim situation that the person making the joke finds themselves in . A rape victim joking about rape in that way wo…

Yeah, sorry, you're really all over the place, contradicting yourself, willfully misreading, etc. Listen, though: your heart's in the right place. That's really the important thing.

Well, sorry if my exposition is unclear. If you point out self-contradictions and what you perceive as willful misreadings, I'd really appreciate that (I assure you none were willful!).

I mean, I'm not here to "win" a discussion, just hoping to present my point of view. And it looks to me like we agree on everything, so I'm surprised to leave you with this impression.

In any case, it was great to talk!

Re: Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful, has died

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https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&th... "I have been sitting for hours debating whether or not to disclose this, and I feel like it's something I do need to get off of my chest. Frankly, I'm tried of being quiet. I've mostly had to stay quiet for years about things happening behind the scenes. I've held things inside so long and so hard my chest physically hurt the same way it is now. I consid…

>Yesterday I recieved a divorce ruling that would help me and my daughter stay in our home in Canada and allow me to provide a good life for her as well as pay back numerous debts that had accrued during the past two years when I was receiving $350 a month in child support. Wow, another victim of the family court system. Sad to see CA's system is just as screwed as the US. Translation: A judge gave me everything I wa…

Per the gofundme, she got 'approximately 1/5th of the marital estate' plus 2.5 years of alimony. This seems a long way away from 'ruined for life'.
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