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Re: I'm “still afraid to use spaces in file names” years old

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OS X does in the GUI; they're isomorphic to ‘:’ at the UNIX level. (The Mac used ‘:’ as the directory separator.)

And a : in a file name at the GUI level gets turned into a dash! I just tried to name a text file "Foo/Bar 10:01.rtf" and it changed it to "Foo/Bar 10-01.rtf"!

In that case the GUI is merely changing the file name you type; in a shell you'll see it as "Foo:Bar 10-01.rtf".

Re: I'm “still afraid to use spaces in file names” years old

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Kebab case is the often overlooked benefit of prefix notation and semantic white space in programming languages. Honestly the best case of all cases imo.

One glorious day we'll accept programming languages that require spaces around infix arithmetic operators so that we can make kebab case a reality!

Lisps, especially Scheme with its `x->something-else` convention, have ruined naming in other languages for me.

Re: I'm “still afraid to use spaces in file names” years old

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I am also that age, and kebab-case is the best case for filenames. 2021-01-01-some-important-document.pdf gives me the warm fuzzies. On the off chance that some more differentiation is needed, throw in an underscore and a whole new world opens up

> kebab-case I hadn't heard that before and I love it.

Same. I had tears in my eyes from laughing. For some inexplicable reason it seems incredibly funny.

Re: I'm “still afraid to use spaces in file names” years old

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I work on a complex desktop application, and it's been astounding the number of bugs that have appeared over the years triggered by spaces and other unusual characters in file names. If you do anything with subprocesses or path processing, it's absurdly easy to hit in a thousand different ways, over and over again. Pro tip: rename your development directory (or even better: the workspace path in CI) to put a space an…

It doesn't even have to be complex, often basic automation tasks fail with spaces and special characters. Honestly, treating a file system like a natural language processor is a bad idea. Besides at this point with how digital we have all become who can't understand... thisismyconfig.txt vs this is my config.txt or this_is_my_config.txt ...i've forced myself to stop using spaces, character, and even cap. They are all…

> thisismyconfig.txt vs this is my config.txt or this_is_my_config.txt

Just wondering, what is the readability of this for people who are dyslexic?

Re: I'm “still afraid to use spaces in file names” years old

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You get all those space characters working and then some jerk comes along and uploads a file like this: ŗ̶̧̢͓̳͍͙͔̳̻̥͉̭͓̫̟͍̞̭͉͓͉̮̹͍͚̳̹̬͉͚̰͈̘̐̊̾̈̀̒͒̀͛̓̋̔͊̏͘̚ę̴̨̛̣͙̤̟̬̩̟͙͖̥̹̱̱̊͑͗̇̇͛̆̈́̃͋̓̀̔̍̍̌̐͊̎̓̅̀̕ͅģ̴̹̜̘͍̱̑͐̉̌̐̄̊͛̎́̐̌̅̈́͂͑̈́̋̔͂̊̊̒̒̔͛͆̚͘̕͠e̶̙͕̫̳̘͐̾́̑͆̓͂̿͊̊̍͛͐̌̆͗̌̅̅̔͊̂͛͗̅̕͝͝͝͝x̵̢̧̦̫͖̝̥̹͓̬͖̤̩͚̝̫̋̃̅̈́̆͋̌͑́̎̈́̊̾͒̀̒̎̓͛͊̿̓͊̀̍͐̆̚͝͝-̴̨̮̯͖͖̠̜̲̪͕̘͈͖̮̈́̓̐̃́̅̄̏́̍̉̐͌́̔̓̄͋͗̐̕͜͝ţ̴̢̧̖̗͖̞̮̫̦̼̝̺̼̱̳͓͉̜̟̤̲͖̻͙́̌̈̌̈͆̾̄͊̿̏̓͗̈́̕͜ͅh̶̽́͊̎͐͌̆̍̎̏̕͝…

Honest question - what the heck are those characters?

Zalgo text: https://zalgo.org/

It was a great joke for a couple weeks two internets ago.

Re: I'm “still afraid to use spaces in file names” years old

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I nearly gave up on learning newer front-end JavaScript stuff like React & webpack and so on a few years ago because of spaces in paths.

node-gyp doesn't like it when there's a space anywhere in your working path. Stuff I was messing around with was all in ~/Code Projects at the time, and using npm install on some things just broke. Looking back, I definitely could have done a better job parsing the error messages but still...

There's an issue but it was closed in 2018 as "The workaround is to use a path without blanks" https://github.com/nodejs/node-gyp/issues/439

Re: I'm “still afraid to use spaces in file names” years old

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I work on a complex desktop application, and it's been astounding the number of bugs that have appeared over the years triggered by spaces and other unusual characters in file names. If you do anything with subprocesses or path processing, it's absurdly easy to hit in a thousand different ways, over and over again. Pro tip: rename your development directory (or even better: the workspace path in CI) to put a space an…

Better solution: only allow ASCII, maybe dashes, and up to twelve characters. Problem solved. Enforce this in LDAP. Strict convention is better than flexibility and predicting obscure edge cases that can fail.

In my case, and for many people writing desktop software, and for absolutely everybody writing open-source tools or libraries, unfortunately you can't control the environment.

Non-ASCII paths are extremely common (e.g. the user's home directory on Windows, for the large majority of users outside the English-speaking world) and spaces, punctuation and weirder characters will definitely happen when you least expect it.

Yes if you can avoid it then absolutely that's great, but I don't think most people can.

It's also not usually very difficult to deal with, as long as you actually spot the issue in the first place.

Re: I'm “still afraid to use spaces in file names” years old

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You get all those space characters working and then some jerk comes along and uploads a file like this: ŗ̶̧̢͓̳͍͙͔̳̻̥͉̭͓̫̟͍̞̭͉͓͉̮̹͍͚̳̹̬͉͚̰͈̘̐̊̾̈̀̒͒̀͛̓̋̔͊̏͘̚ę̴̨̛̣͙̤̟̬̩̟͙͖̥̹̱̱̊͑͗̇̇͛̆̈́̃͋̓̀̔̍̍̌̐͊̎̓̅̀̕ͅģ̴̹̜̘͍̱̑͐̉̌̐̄̊͛̎́̐̌̅̈́͂͑̈́̋̔͂̊̊̒̒̔͛͆̚͘̕͠e̶̙͕̫̳̘͐̾́̑͆̓͂̿͊̊̍͛͐̌̆͗̌̅̅̔͊̂͛͗̅̕͝͝͝͝x̵̢̧̦̫͖̝̥̹͓̬͖̤̩͚̝̫̋̃̅̈́̆͋̌͑́̎̈́̊̾͒̀̒̎̓͛͊̿̓͊̀̍͐̆̚͝͝-̴̨̮̯͖͖̠̜̲̪͕̘͈͖̮̈́̓̐̃́̅̄̏́̍̉̐͌́̔̓̄͋͗̐̕͜͝ţ̴̢̧̖̗͖̞̮̫̦̼̝̺̼̱̳͓͉̜̟̤̲͖̻͙́̌̈̌̈͆̾̄͊̿̏̓͗̈́̕͜ͅh̶̽́͊̎͐͌̆̍̎̏̕͝…

This legitimately made me laugh out loud in my office. The characters reach up off the screen as I reply to this. They overlay the comment above you. Amazing. How?

It's usually called Zalgo text, and it's what you get when you start stacking all kinds of Unicode diacritics on poor unsuspecting characters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zalgo_text

Re: I'm “still afraid to use spaces in file names” years old

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You get all those space characters working and then some jerk comes along and uploads a file like this: ŗ̶̧̢͓̳͍͙͔̳̻̥͉̭͓̫̟͍̞̭͉͓͉̮̹͍͚̳̹̬͉͚̰͈̘̐̊̾̈̀̒͒̀͛̓̋̔͊̏͘̚ę̴̨̛̣͙̤̟̬̩̟͙͖̥̹̱̱̊͑͗̇̇͛̆̈́̃͋̓̀̔̍̍̌̐͊̎̓̅̀̕ͅģ̴̹̜̘͍̱̑͐̉̌̐̄̊͛̎́̐̌̅̈́͂͑̈́̋̔͂̊̊̒̒̔͛͆̚͘̕͠e̶̙͕̫̳̘͐̾́̑͆̓͂̿͊̊̍͛͐̌̆͗̌̅̅̔͊̂͛͗̅̕͝͝͝͝x̵̢̧̦̫͖̝̥̹͓̬͖̤̩͚̝̫̋̃̅̈́̆͋̌͑́̎̈́̊̾͒̀̒̎̓͛͊̿̓͊̀̍͐̆̚͝͝-̴̨̮̯͖͖̠̜̲̪͕̘͈͖̮̈́̓̐̃́̅̄̏́̍̉̐͌́̔̓̄͋͗̐̕͜͝ţ̴̢̧̖̗͖̞̮̫̦̼̝̺̼̱̳͓͉̜̟̤̲͖̻͙́̌̈̌̈͆̾̄͊̿̏̓͗̈́̕͜ͅh̶̽́͊̎͐͌̆̍̎̏̕͝…

This legitimately made me laugh out loud in my office. The characters reach up off the screen as I reply to this. They overlay the comment above you. Amazing. How?

Interestingly I get different behaviour per browser/OS. Firefox/Linux clips it to the bounding box of the parent element, Firefox/Mac and Safari/Mac clip it to the line height, and only Chrome/Mac lets it extended further.
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