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Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of grading

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Re: Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of grading

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Post by SamReidHughes »

bko wrote: post #27
throwaway23451 wrote: post #5

I’m sure every generation feels like the next is going to turn the world to hell… but what the hell? I find it absolutely bonkers that gifted classes, math, homework and objective performance assessments are suddenly under fire as instruments perpetuating inequality. Does our education system leave much to be desired? Absolutely! Let’s pay teachers more and improve access to quality education for all students, not co…

The crazy thing is that the bar is so low in the US. Where I live, Hoboken, NJ, the high school math and reading proficiency rate are 8% and 44% respectively, while the graduation rate is >95% What the hell are they doing if they're not even teaching kids math and reading? And why are they graduating them? Grades aren't meant to be a feel good merit badge. They're supposed to be an accurate reflection of your level o…

Strange. Nationally the number is 37% of 12th graders in reading and 24% of 12th graders in math, if you're using NAEP Proficiency to define the level.

While math has actual course material that needs to be taught, reading tests are more of a general intelligence test. It sounds like there is some serious problem with the math education in Hoboken.

Re: Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of grading

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Post by DeathArrow »

A country develops its future by learning. Denying its future by degrading education is criminal.

As with everything in life, there are people good at one thing and people who are not. Trying to level everything to the lowest level is idiotic.

Sane countries do promote excellence while trying to help the rest stay at a decent level.

A country needs both scientists and manual workers. I want both my doctor and the guy who repairs my car to do a good job.

Re: Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of grading

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Post by KMag »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #81
uejfiweun wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How on earth do we de-escalate from here? I feel that in the US it is impossible to summon the political willpower to make it HARDER to graduate HS or go to college, even if these things would make society better off. My personal opinion is that the government should get out of education, just lower our taxes and let the free market handle the rest. Never gonna happen, however.

New Orleans post-Katrina style , that’s how. Takes political will though.

I don't have enough context here. The first search result I found disputes claims of post-Katrina New Orleans schools doing better than similar cities[0], but maybe that's a biased sounce.

Do you have some links and maybe some elaboration on the point you're trying to make? From my short reading, it sounds like the narrative is that the disaster gave both sides the political cover they needed to make the concessions they've long known they needed, and allowed effective reform to happen. Is that what you're suggesting?

[0] https://www.aft.org/news/truth-about-new-orleans-schools-aft...

Re: Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of grading

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Post by DeathArrow »

Lhiw wrote: post #132
laserbeam wrote: post #101

I was really hoping this is a decent article about what some teacher or school did about the problem. It starts like that but then it goes kablookie... So, a certain Joshua Moreno is fed up with the system and did something about that, 2 paragraphs. GREAT. Then the rest of the entire article is about institutionalized racism and how the current system fails us. At no point do we get a good example about what mr Moren…

Why do you have to agree there is institutional racism in schools to think this is garbage writing? Worried you'll get called a racist for suggesting an anti racist is wrong? Actually on topic though, Asia is laughing at us. Removing homework and grading? Because "racism"? You shouldn't be penalizing well off people (white or not) with worse schooling because some lower class students (black or not) dont have enough…

>Worried you'll get called a racist for suggesting an anti racist is wrong?

That's a reasonable worry in these days.

Re: Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of grading

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Post by DeathArrow »

thablackbull wrote: post #138
Lhiw wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you have to agree there is institutional racism in schools to think this is garbage writing? Worried you'll get called a racist for suggesting an anti racist is wrong? Actually on topic though, Asia is laughing at us. Removing homework and grading? Because "racism"? You shouldn't be penalizing well off people (white or not) with worse schooling because some lower class students (black or not) dont have enough…

> Actually on topic though, Asia is laughing at us. Are you really that self centered that you think that people around the globe care.

>Are you really that self centered that you think that people around the globe care.

In EU we copy most stupid things US is doing but none of the good things US is doing. So I do care.

Re: Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of grading

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Post by DeathArrow »

Lhiw wrote: post #152
thablackbull wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Actually on topic though, Asia is laughing at us. Are you really that self centered that you think that people around the globe care.

They don't have to care to laugh at us for dumbing down our kids.

>They don't have to care to laugh at us for dumbing down our kids.

Why laugh? I guess they will be glad they will winning the competition. If anything, they will encourage the US to continue on the same path, they'll might even praise it.

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Post by DeathArrow »

jjeaff wrote: post #193
thablackbull wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Actually on topic though, Asia is laughing at us. Are you really that self centered that you think that people around the globe care.

I think the more important question is whether we should care what China thinks. Is China really what we want to aspire to?

Maybe you should care if China is on a better path towards the future than your country?

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Post by Larrikin »

askafriend wrote: post #149
Lhiw wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you have to agree there is institutional racism in schools to think this is garbage writing? Worried you'll get called a racist for suggesting an anti racist is wrong? Actually on topic though, Asia is laughing at us. Removing homework and grading? Because "racism"? You shouldn't be penalizing well off people (white or not) with worse schooling because some lower class students (black or not) dont have enough…

They mention that because it emphasizes their other point. It's the equivalent of "I'm a vegetarian but even I drool at the thought of bacon". You don't have to mention that you're vegetarian....it's there because it places extra emphasis on how appealing bacon can be. sigh did I really to break it down like that

When a comment appears to a be a troll, is overly hostile, etc it's usually helpful to look at the account creation date and their posts history before bothering with a response.

Sometimes it's someone with a varied history burning karma for a topic they are passionate about, but in this posters history it's obviously not.

Re: Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of grading

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Post by renewiltord »

bpodgursky wrote: post #69
throw9000 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't have to wait long for union bashing to come around.

In an article about global warming, coal bashing is going to come around pretty quickly. Because it is the source of the problem.

And yet time and again we find that unions are the only large organizations fighting climate change.
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