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Re: Business Essentials

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Post by numbsafari »

jonathantf2 wrote: post #248
numbsafari wrote: post #206

The challenge for Apple is going to be their unwillingness to integrate with others. Business Manager only integrates with MS Azure Active Directory for IAM. The vast majority of small business do not have Azure Active Directory. They either have nothing, or they have Google Workspace. Apple needs to not just launch a competitor for AD. They need to properly support integrated directory services with a broader range…

At the MSP I work at every single customer we have uses Azure AD. G Suite isn't a proper business e-mail solution for a business with any more than 3 users - Exchange and Azure AD are the gold standard for cloud based office for SMB.

You can't possibly know what you are talking about if you are going to say that G Suite "isn't a proper business e-mail solution".

Sorry, I know tons of highly effective organizations, large and small, that enjoy the benefits of using Workspace for email, calendaring, and the whole rest of the lot.

Back in 2007, I was supporting massive educational organizations, with hundreds of thousands of users, to move their entire email and calendaring operations to the then-called GSuite. That was 14 years ago.

Google created the cloud-based office solution. MS has been playing catch-up, trying to lovingly recreate the experience of managing an on-prem Windows/AD/Exchange stack for the metaverse equivalent of self flagellation.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by numbsafari »

vineyardmike wrote: post #226
numbsafari wrote: post #196

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Agreed. They have been leaving a mountain of money on the table by not offering this, or a competitor for Google Workspace.

> a competitor for Google Workspace. I think this is their obvious next move. They just launched iCloud email with custom domains for end users. That seems like an early battle-test for enterprise use cases. They already have alternative software to google docs too, so it could be an easy business to set up.

Completely agree. I think they have been slowly making moves into this space over the last 4-5 years (probably longer, but slowly gaining momentum in that time).

I think my read on the new custom domain support is the same as yours. It's clearly a limited beta without the label.

They are moving at a snails pace, but a lot of the pieces are there.

Numbers is just garbage, though. If they want to seriously play in the docs space, they need to fix it. They also need a simple database solution. They've got Claris, and could bring that to the table if they wanted.

Apple also has a serious reputation problem when it comes to reliability in this space. Personally, as excited as I am about all this, I'm hesitant based on their track record.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by square_usual »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #245
roody15 wrote: post #70

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Agree I manage 500+ Apple devices and have been in disbelief that Apple recommends using JAMF to manage their own devices. I use profile manager included with the Server App of MacOS and it is functional but limited in scope. I have expressed for years frustration that Apple recommends using MDM/ profiles to manage their devices … and then doesn’t even really offer an enterprise version of the software. Google by con…

We used JAMF at my last place of business, and it would occasionally kill apps with a 15 minute warning. Normally this was fine, but it really sucked to get JAMFed (as it came to be called) in the middle of a presentation. At my current company, we use something that destroys CPU and battery (unused 2019 high end MBP hangs sporadically for tens of seconds on any file system syscall, computer gets uncomfortably hot, b…

I moved from a company that gave us fresh off the store MacBooks to one that managed them using jamf and a host of other antiviruses and compliance software, and I tell this to all of my colleagues: the experience you're having with your MacBooks - the poor performance, stuttering and random beachballs aren't representative of what MacBooks are actually like.

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Post by lukeh »

NovaS1X wrote: post #285
TimTheTinker wrote: post #234

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I cried a tear or two when they deprecated it. Apple can do enterprise hardware... just because Linux and x86 hardware became commoditized doesn't mean there isn't room for further innovation. I think Apple should come out with an M1 Enterprise chip and a line of data center/server hardware to compete with Oxide. As for an OS, why not hire Hector Martin and adopt a particular flavor of Linux (maybe partner with Red H…

An LDAP offering that competes with AD and integrates with OSX would be gigantic. I work in VFX where 95% of our hardware runs Linux, our laptops all Apple, and the only Windows machines being the accounting department, yet we still use AD for directory services because there's simply nobody else that offers a product even half as good, and OSX doesn't even like working with AD anyway. A product that could even compe…

Well, they won’t use Samba (which has a very well featured domain controller implementation), because of the GPL. The only other one going around is the one I wrote, but Novell bought that, not Apple. (Apple wasn’t so interested in the enterprise space circa 2006.)

But anyway, AD will become much less relevant in the future as everything moves to the cloud, a la Azure AD.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by authed »

samstave wrote: post #62
j16sdiz wrote: post #48

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> 2. I have had multiple employers in Silicon Valley who had the BYOD (Bring you own device) policy implemented but then they attached a SECONDARY DEVICE to my iCloud account and were slurping all personal records from that. I don't think MDM allow the admin to hijack your icloud account. Are you sure it's your employer, not some other?

Positive. Its happening everywhere, and by dog-years and internet standards, this is ancient Never EVER trust ANY HR department. They are not your friends.

> Never EVER trust ANY HR department. They are not your friends.

They work for the company, not the employees...

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by hackmiester »

jonathantf2 wrote: post #248
numbsafari wrote: post #206

The challenge for Apple is going to be their unwillingness to integrate with others. Business Manager only integrates with MS Azure Active Directory for IAM. The vast majority of small business do not have Azure Active Directory. They either have nothing, or they have Google Workspace. Apple needs to not just launch a competitor for AD. They need to properly support integrated directory services with a broader range…

At the MSP I work at every single customer we have uses Azure AD. G Suite isn't a proper business e-mail solution for a business with any more than 3 users - Exchange and Azure AD are the gold standard for cloud based office for SMB.

This is such a wild take to read on here. I kind of get where you’re coming from, but I just can’t make it line up with my reality. For reference, I hate Outlook and all its descendants, and I won’t work anywhere that uses them - but it’s never been a problem because everyone uses Google.
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