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The gradual extinction of softness

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Re: The gradual extinction of softness

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The US is headed that way. After we lose the first war with China, over Taiwan,[1][2] the decline will accelerate. [1] https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/us-will-lose-fast-i... [2] 2034: A Novel of the Next World War by Elliot Ackerman, Admiral James Stavridis USN

I’m not a military strategist, but I don’t understand. That article you cited about America should w say the US would lose a battle with China ? What about all the ICBMs, long range bombers, subs etc etc which would be used if something like that happened ?

What happens when Chinese intercept and disable all our sub's nuclear launch radio signals coming from Alaska, and all our subs become worthless?

Re: The gradual extinction of softness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not a military strategist, but I don’t understand. That article you cited about America should w say the US would lose a battle with China ? What about all the ICBMs, long range bombers, subs etc etc which would be used if something like that happened ?

What happens when Chinese intercept and disable all our sub's nuclear launch radio signals coming from Alaska, and all our subs become worthless?

You don't think the subs have a way to launch without a radio signal?

Re: The gradual extinction of softness

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post #5

The US is headed that way. After we lose the first war with China, over Taiwan,[1][2] the decline will accelerate. [1] https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/us-will-lose-fast-i... [2] 2034: A Novel of the Next World War by Elliot Ackerman, Admiral James Stavridis USN

I’m not a military strategist, but I don’t understand. That article you cited about America should w say the US would lose a battle with China ? What about all the ICBMs, long range bombers, subs etc etc which would be used if something like that happened ?

I gather that the point of the article was that we might 'lose' in the sense that we couldn't prevent them from taking Taiwan. That's plausible, it's sitting right off the coast of China. And I doubt we'd be willing to initiate a nuclear strike to prevent it from happening.

But China is a very long ways from being able to try and take on the US directly anywhere near North America.

Re: The gradual extinction of softness

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The US is headed that way. After we lose the first war with China, over Taiwan,[1][2] the decline will accelerate. [1] https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/03/us-will-lose-fast-i... [2] 2034: A Novel of the Next World War by Elliot Ackerman, Admiral James Stavridis USN

I’m not a military strategist, but I don’t understand. That article you cited about America should w say the US would lose a battle with China ? What about all the ICBMs, long range bombers, subs etc etc which would be used if something like that happened ?

The strategy described is that China takes Taiwan very quickly, and the US can’t stop them. Then it’s up to the US to choose how to retaliate.

They won’t be able to undo the invasion, and there’s no threat to the US directly. So there’s not much incentive for terrible retaliation.

The US might prefer to keep its promises to Taiwan, but at that point it would be choosing to let that go, or escalate into war with a nuclear power.

Re: The gradual extinction of softness

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Pol Pot and his government was responsible for the death of 1/4 Cambodian population in a short amount of time, not counting deaths from neighboring countries. A lot of Cambodians migrated to Vietnam (including the author of this wonderful piece). The history about this period is interesting if you're looking for a good read. It's not being widely taught, even during Vietnamese K12 education.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian%E2%80%93Vietnamese...

Re: The gradual extinction of softness

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In case this piques anyone’s interest in Cambodian history, I’ve really liked this podcast: https://www.shadowsofutopia.com/. Good production quality, good depth of academic/scholarly research, and good presentation from the host. There’s a one-hour “recap” episode from earlier this year summarizing everything covered thus far; might be a good sampler (not seeing it on website, but up on Spotify/Apple Podcasts apparently).

Re: The gradual extinction of softness

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It's frustrating to me that my potential enjoyment of this piece, lauded as it is by several of the comments that are already here, was poisoned by the introduction. I imagine that

>I ran to visit my friend Yet, who lived in the village behind my parents’ house in Battambang, Cambodia.

will come off as innocuous to many, but my immediate impression was, "Wait... like a plantation?". I'm not intimately familiar with Cambodian history, but I had some understanding of it having been a French colony. With that colonization must have come a sharpening of class lines, as in many Western colonies, like Cuba, and the American South. Some quick research confirmed that. And then, after independence, a coup, with alleged but unconfirmed American backing; and then, after that, a vicious response by radicalized communist entities. Familiar trappings of the first tumultuous global century.

...I'm trying to figure out how to articulate this feeling. It's a sort of anger at the lionization of Western, Capitalist claims and ideals, at the whitewashing of the means by which they were asserted, at the implacable sneers towards anything in opposition to this story of glory. Not because I myself dislike freedom, and variety, and eating; but because the movements that rise up to challenge that status quo rise out of the muck-like detritus it generates and then plops right onto the heads of the poor and marginalized. I skim this piece and see not any sort of understanding of how the French Indochina, as a tentacle of the Western imperialism kraken, that produced the things the author lauds also sowed the seeds of its destruction; I see almost a willful and zealous blindness to this, in fact. When I talk to Castro's diaspora, same thing. When I talk to Lost Cause pushers, same thing.

All of this scares the sh*t out of me. It's yet another example of how suffering - true agony as far as the eye can see - can come from and produce the same sort of skewed priorities and world-view, over and over again, all around the world. When the world has wronged us so utterly - at least from our perspective - we're unable to see the wrongs we participated in, and how they could have contributed to the slow gestation of our despair. You see shades of it even here, today. I want us to get it right for once and this essay is stealing hope from me.

Re: The gradual extinction of softness

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post #18

It's frustrating to me that my potential enjoyment of this piece, lauded as it is by several of the comments that are already here, was poisoned by the introduction. I imagine that >I ran to visit my friend Yet, who lived in the village behind my parents’ house in Battambang, Cambodia. will come off as innocuous to many, but my immediate impression was, "Wait... like a plantation?". I'm not intimately familiar with C…

If you'd read it, you'd have found that the blindness is not there. But I don't think it's the piece you would have wanted either way. Willful zealotry is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose. I see it in your comment, fwiw.

Re: The gradual extinction of softness

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post #18

It's frustrating to me that my potential enjoyment of this piece, lauded as it is by several of the comments that are already here, was poisoned by the introduction. I imagine that >I ran to visit my friend Yet, who lived in the village behind my parents’ house in Battambang, Cambodia. will come off as innocuous to many, but my immediate impression was, "Wait... like a plantation?". I'm not intimately familiar with C…

The real "break with tradition" was America and the CIA ousting Prince Sihanouk, who had been fighting militant communists, but was in dialog with the non-militant Cambodian left. A puppet Lon Nol was put at the helm, and the US then invaded eastern Cambodia (and shot Kent State students protesting that invasion) and carpet bombed the Cambodian countryside. This is what began the destabilization of Cambodia. Prince Sihanouk in exile allied with anyone against Lon Nol, which included the communists, and he supported the Cambodian People's National Liberation Armed Forces, which liberated Phnom Penh in the spring of 1975, right around the same time Saigon was liberated from western colonialism.
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