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Re: Business Essentials

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Post by jon-wood »

vineyardmike wrote: post #227
supernovae wrote: post #74

I wish they had a better MDM for kids... All I want to do is ensure that NextDNS is installed/forced and that they can't remove it. Somehow, if you block store, block adding apps and block removing apps and hide the icons, kids still figure out how to remove the damn thing and the only thing you can do to block it is set a 1 minute time limit (why can't you set 0 minutes? wtf apple?) and hope they don't stay up until…

I still have a lot of resentment for the internet restrictions my parents put on my devices. They didn't usually work, but made whatever i was doing significantly more annoying. I still remember discovering a bug in the iphone parental controls where i could go to the amazon app, leave a comment for google.com, click it and open that in a webview, then open that into safari with restrictions disabled. How i discovere…

A quick thanks here for making me feel hideously old by mentioning your experience of parental controls being on an iPhone, a device that didn’t even exist until well after I’d moved away from home and was paying for my own internet connection.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by supernovae »

jacurtis wrote: post #149
Damogran6 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I figured, when my kids were a certain age, that if I took that route, they'd ALWAYS get around whatever control I put in front of them. Either at home, or at school or at a friends house. Told them there was stuff on the internet that could harm them, that there was stuff they could NOT unsee. They're 18 now, the results of the science experiment are still out, but they seem to have turned out okay.

As someone who grew up in an extremely religious (arguably "cult-ish") home. I can tell you that your approach to parenting leads to healthier children (at least mentally). Hiding children from facts of life (sex, death, drugs, abuse, alcohol, etc) does not in fact help them, it helps you (the parent). It makes parents feel good, but leaves children scarred and unprepared for when they will inevitably face those fact…

Oh believe me, NextDNS isn't because i'm trying to keep my kids safe from sex, death, drugs and alcohol, it's because the world is out to harm 13 year old girls and I want them to be protected. They watch horror movies and we've never been ashamed of nudity and sex is nothing to be ashamed of.

Ironically, its not porn, warez, hacking or any of that crap that concerns me - it's the dudes who pray on girls - it's the people with fake disorders building communities to cause people to have ticks and self diagnose with severe disorders. It's kids who don't sleep because they're addicted to tik tok and instagram.

Take away their phone to help break that addiction and they end up with friends phones or connecting on other devices...

I can't police all that, I can't talk my kids out of that and I certainly won't hide them from the internet - but i can block the URLS of places i know that shouldn't exist and i can set sane restrictions as any good parent should

Of course kids are gonna find porn and yeah, they're going to try and bypass controls. Clearly, they're figuring it out and clearly, they think we don't know so whose the clever one now?

Still think Apple should have MDM for families. When i was a kid we were stealing pornos from Circle K so it's not about that at all.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by supernovae »

kiryin wrote: post #127
Damogran6 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I figured, when my kids were a certain age, that if I took that route, they'd ALWAYS get around whatever control I put in front of them. Either at home, or at school or at a friends house. Told them there was stuff on the internet that could harm them, that there was stuff they could NOT unsee. They're 18 now, the results of the science experiment are still out, but they seem to have turned out okay.

This is the right way to go. Teach, don't block. You fuck up your relationship to your kids if you force them to keep secrets from you and constantly "fight" against you. Because trust me, that's how it'll end up.

We teach and re-enforce. Blocking is the result of failing to respect the established terms and losing the privilege until we have re-established them.

It's really that simple.

In the case of NextDNS its less controlling what they see, we're not naive about that - but more about ensuring their safety and well being.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by supernovae »

vineyardmike wrote: post #227
supernovae wrote: post #74

I wish they had a better MDM for kids... All I want to do is ensure that NextDNS is installed/forced and that they can't remove it. Somehow, if you block store, block adding apps and block removing apps and hide the icons, kids still figure out how to remove the damn thing and the only thing you can do to block it is set a 1 minute time limit (why can't you set 0 minutes? wtf apple?) and hope they don't stay up until…

I still have a lot of resentment for the internet restrictions my parents put on my devices. They didn't usually work, but made whatever i was doing significantly more annoying. I still remember discovering a bug in the iphone parental controls where i could go to the amazon app, leave a comment for google.com, click it and open that in a webview, then open that into safari with restrictions disabled. How i discovere…

You do realize, that often times controls are put in place when the communications and trust has been violated right? Most people want to not give a shit, it's the kid forcing the response.

Beyond that, The internet for a boy, is much different than the internet for a girl - your experience isn't the same as everyone elses and neither are the filters.

We home school so some of the controls are just in place so they actually do some school and they're only in place because they choose NOT to do school.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by supernovae »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #168
drcongo wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ScreenTime feature for family members on iOS is an absolute car-crash. Not only is it almost impossible to find (it's not in Settings -> ScreenTime), but I'm endlessly impressed with the ways around it my daughter is able to find. I've recently noticed that she can use WhatsApp without limits just by launching it from the share sheet in Photos.

I wasn’t clear I mean physically take the device from them.

I've done this. This is when you find out that they can get online with their switch, their ipad, the long lost android tablet you didn't know you had or the one they bought from 7-11 because they sell 49 dollar kindle fires there. They also have friends phones and buy sims and all sorts of crap.. it's hilarous the lengths kids go to get online...

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by supernovae »

cbushko wrote: post #102
supernovae wrote: post #74

I wish they had a better MDM for kids... All I want to do is ensure that NextDNS is installed/forced and that they can't remove it. Somehow, if you block store, block adding apps and block removing apps and hide the icons, kids still figure out how to remove the damn thing and the only thing you can do to block it is set a 1 minute time limit (why can't you set 0 minutes? wtf apple?) and hope they don't stay up until…

You can setup NextDNS at the router level.

It is, but the kids know they can juse use 5g and no more home router :)

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #245
roody15 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree I manage 500+ Apple devices and have been in disbelief that Apple recommends using JAMF to manage their own devices. I use profile manager included with the Server App of MacOS and it is functional but limited in scope. I have expressed for years frustration that Apple recommends using MDM/ profiles to manage their devices … and then doesn’t even really offer an enterprise version of the software. Google by con…

We used JAMF at my last place of business, and it would occasionally kill apps with a 15 minute warning. Normally this was fine, but it really sucked to get JAMFed (as it came to be called) in the middle of a presentation. At my current company, we use something that destroys CPU and battery (unused 2019 high end MBP hangs sporadically for tens of seconds on any file system syscall, computer gets uncomfortably hot, b…

The issues you experienced are squarely on the shoulders of your Jamf admins.

It doesn't have to suck, but it usually does because the people put in charge of it are incompetent, or at best, semi-competent. Most self-respecting engineers run fast from this sort of thing.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by supernovae »

mschuster91 wrote: post #113
supernovae wrote: post #74

I wish they had a better MDM for kids... All I want to do is ensure that NextDNS is installed/forced and that they can't remove it. Somehow, if you block store, block adding apps and block removing apps and hide the icons, kids still figure out how to remove the damn thing and the only thing you can do to block it is set a 1 minute time limit (why can't you set 0 minutes? wtf apple?) and hope they don't stay up until…

If your kids are intelligent enough to bypass locks... give it up. Seriously. Better, prepare them for the worst of what they will experience on the Internet: violence, pornography, abuse of all kind, and guide them in their use of the Internet. Place yourself as the person your kids can come for help instead of the person they have to be afraid of. That is an incredibly easy and common thing for groomers to exploit.

nah, not giving up.

Both kids have fought it, my oldest is 17 and nextdns for her just blocks ads and keeps the spyware from calling home.

Every generation has "wtf is that" and what my 13 year old is going through is "WTF IS THAT!??"

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by rootusrootus »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #245
roody15 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree I manage 500+ Apple devices and have been in disbelief that Apple recommends using JAMF to manage their own devices. I use profile manager included with the Server App of MacOS and it is functional but limited in scope. I have expressed for years frustration that Apple recommends using MDM/ profiles to manage their devices … and then doesn’t even really offer an enterprise version of the software. Google by con…

We used JAMF at my last place of business, and it would occasionally kill apps with a 15 minute warning. Normally this was fine, but it really sucked to get JAMFed (as it came to be called) in the middle of a presentation. At my current company, we use something that destroys CPU and battery (unused 2019 high end MBP hangs sporadically for tens of seconds on any file system syscall, computer gets uncomfortably hot, b…

Some piece of company malware on my MBP causes it to panic every two or three days. Before that it got mad fan disease and had to be wiped to get it back to 'normal'.

I have eight icons in the menu bar for installed malware/spyware/whatever on my company owned laptop. That's just the stuff that has an icon, I bet there's more (including JAMF, for sure). It's ridiculous.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by sigjuice »

chrisseaton wrote: post #10
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #8

There’s a few headlines talking about backups - does apple finally have a cloud based time machine replacement? I’d be so excited to see that as a general consumer too.

I think that's unlikely to be a thing they're working on. You can get that from storing your files in iCloud already, and these days is there any good reason to back up the rest of your system? If I had to rebuild a system due to hardware failure the absolute last thing I'd want to do would be restore all the accumulated system cruft!

It depends on one's preferences and circumstances. I got a new M1 MacBook recently and I took my time setting it up from scratch.

A few years ago, I had my MacBook stolen. I was up and running within a few hours after getting a new Mac and restoring from my Time Capsule. Dealing with the aftermath of a car break-in (thanks San Francisco!) and a new computer at the same time was going to be a bit much for me.

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