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Re: Time Travel: Probability and Impossibility

#101

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The laws of physics as we know them today don't forbid time travel. In fact, they propose a fairly specific means of doing it via accelerating one side of a traversable wormhole to near the speed of light. The only reason this isn't actionable is it requires exotic matter that may not exist, and if it does, we certainly don't know where to find it or how to make it (and we don't currently know how to make a wormhole,…

>The laws of physics as we know them today don't forbid time travel. In fact, they propose a fairly specific means of doing it via accelerating one side of a traversable wormhole to near the speed of light. That applies to time travel into the past . It's obvious, but it bears noting that the converse is a lot simpler. I say that because, IIUC (and that's a real question), quantum mechanics treats the time dimension…

There's no contradiction there. Time symmetry is a mathematical property, so time reversal exists only in mathematics, this is perfectly expected behavior.

Re: Time Travel: Probability and Impossibility

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My assumption would be that the laser would move into the past at the same speed that we move into the future, so that might be the issue. If that were the case, each moment of the future would be further changed by the, (I don't know if this is the correct term but it seems appropriate) "temporally equidistant" moment in the past. If that were the case, eventually the recording of the laser dot would not show a lase…

Another interesting thought that just crossed my mind is this: Suppose you have a magical superluminal laser. Whatever you point it at (with a direct line of sight), no matter how far away, will be lit up with the laser at the moment you push the button. That laser beam will appear at the location you pointed it however many light years in the past it would have taken for light to travel to its destination and then r…

I have to admit I still fail to understand why the laser would somehow travel to the past.

> That laser beam will appear at the location you pointed it however many light years in the past it would have taken for light to travel to its destination and then return over time to the moment you fired the laser.

No... I mean, you'd be able to see the laser button being pushed 20 years later (assuming 20 LY distance), but the laser light appears before this (because it was magical superluminal laser with polarized hull plating and photons that travel 20 LY in a second, or such).

This doesn't mean the laser push has not happened at the moment when the laser dot appears. It has. This is why you see the dot. Far away someone must have pushed the button at this very instant. You just haven't observed the push yet because of the large distance (and speed of light slower than the magical superluminal laser).

Re: Time Travel: Probability and Impossibility

#103

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Another interesting thought that just crossed my mind is this: Suppose you have a magical superluminal laser. Whatever you point it at (with a direct line of sight), no matter how far away, will be lit up with the laser at the moment you push the button. That laser beam will appear at the location you pointed it however many light years in the past it would have taken for light to travel to its destination and then r…

I have to admit I still fail to understand why the laser would somehow travel to the past. > That laser beam will appear at the location you pointed it however many light years in the past it would have taken for light to travel to its destination and then return over time to the moment you fired the laser. No... I mean, you'd be able to see the laser button being pushed 20 years later (assuming 20 LY distance), but…

Either way you look at it you're involving time travel through the normal universe.

For someone 20 light years away to click a button and a laser appear at a spot next to you simultaneously. I mean, whew. There's so many things that have to be accounted for that it boggles the mind.

1. The universe is spinning. 2. The galaxy is spinning 3. The solar system is spinning 4. The planet is spinning.

All together you are moving hundreds of thousands of miles an hour. Over 20 years that's trillions upon trillions of miles.

This laser would have to compensate for the universal drift of 2 points nineteen sextillion meters apart over the course of 20 years.

That's aside from the point.

We are dealing with things that are faster than the speed of spacetime. (space is time, time is space)

So, what would happen is you would click the button, and the laser would arrive at its intended destination 20 light years away simultaneously.

Then, the universe will start to catch up to the lasers pre-afterimage. (I can't think of a better term for this, I'll try to explain. You're with the laser at Point A. Destination is Point C. The Point B is the space and time between Point A and Point C. After the laser instantly jumps from Point A to Point C, the universe must still inexorably traverse Point B, during which it will encounter, in its future, the past afterimages of your laser, a.k.a its pre-afterimage.)

That is what I mean by the laser traveling into the past. Even though it's the same point in relative time between Point A and Point C, the laser, assuming that it is following some version of universal law, must still traverse the distance between the two points. If it did it faster than the universe can, that's fine, the universe will still commute that time distance either way.

From the point of view of Point C, the laser will appear and then recess back towards Point A over the course of the next 20 years. (This has to happen because the universe moves at the speed of light even if something else within it did not).

From the point of view of Point A, 20 years ago a laser of some intensity was fired at it and hit it the moment the button was pushed.

Both of these things are true because the speed of light was broken by your magical laser.

During the universe's commuting of that time distance, interesting things will happen.

When I was talking about the laser tsunami (and thank you for creating an opportunity for me to earnestly write the phrase "laser tsunami" twice in my lifetime) that is talking about what must inexorably happen on the other side of Point A or Point C temporally. For Point C, not much, a little flash of light. For Point A, either some really pretty light shows or total universal destruction. Sure, whatever.

But no matter how fast the laser moved, the universe must still cross the length of Point B, and as it does so (since we are moving in linear time) the universe will experience either essentially negligible effects (in the case of the 2 happier endings I presupposed in my last post) or it will undergo catastrophic alterations as it reacts to more energy than exists within itself ripping across 20 light years of distance in an infinitely short amount of time.

Light doesn't have mass but it does have energy. Energy is mass. That will have an effect on the universe whether you want it to or not.

Space and time are the same thing. 20 light years of distance is therefore 20 years of temporal distance at least from the inside of this universe.

Point C by all accounts must therefore be 20 years in the past from Point A in order for a laser from Point A to hit Point C at the time the laser is fired from Point A. This is despite the fact that they are currently at the same time frame in the temporal view. (That means that when you have a faster than light anything, everything that it can reach at faster than light speeds must be in the past even though they are both now).

If it wasn't, you would miss the shot because where you pointed the laser on Point C would be where Point C was 20 years ago, hundreds of trillions of miles away from where it would be right now.

Re: Time Travel: Probability and Impossibility

#104

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I have to admit I still fail to understand why the laser would somehow travel to the past. > That laser beam will appear at the location you pointed it however many light years in the past it would have taken for light to travel to its destination and then return over time to the moment you fired the laser. No... I mean, you'd be able to see the laser button being pushed 20 years later (assuming 20 LY distance), but…

Either way you look at it you're involving time travel through the normal universe. For someone 20 light years away to click a button and a laser appear at a spot next to you simultaneously. I mean, whew. There's so many things that have to be accounted for that it boggles the mind. 1. The universe is spinning. 2. The galaxy is spinning 3. The solar system is spinning 4. The planet is spinning. All together you are m…

This is kind of like Einstein's questions about cars on a train, or wondering what would happen if you were driving at the speed of light and turned on your headlights.

You might be tempted to think that if you are moving at the speed of light then you are moving just as fast as the light coming from your headlights, but you would be wrong. If you were moving at the speed of light and turned on your headlights, they would work just like normal headlights do on your normal car. (whether you could react in time to not be instantly obliterated and explode like a nuclear bomb is a different story)

The speed of light is relative.

For instance, nothing can go the speed of light as it would take infinite energy to cross the threshold from .9999999~9c and 1 c. However, parts of the universe appear to be moving away from each other faster than the speed of light, because the speed of light is relative to the observer.

Point A and Point C are two separate observers so they have 2 separate frames of reference that must be accounted for even when you consider superluminal effects.

Re: Time Travel: Probability and Impossibility

#105

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Either way you look at it you're involving time travel through the normal universe. For someone 20 light years away to click a button and a laser appear at a spot next to you simultaneously. I mean, whew. There's so many things that have to be accounted for that it boggles the mind. 1. The universe is spinning. 2. The galaxy is spinning 3. The solar system is spinning 4. The planet is spinning. All together you are m…

This is kind of like Einstein's questions about cars on a train, or wondering what would happen if you were driving at the speed of light and turned on your headlights. You might be tempted to think that if you are moving at the speed of light then you are moving just as fast as the light coming from your headlights, but you would be wrong. If you were moving at the speed of light and turned on your headlights, they…

But let's go one further.

Let's say that you have a computer program that knows the exact position and velocity of every particle in the universe and can with 100% accuracy know exactly where your target is in the universe regardless of distance at this very moment and the specific straight line between the two points.

Your laser fires and the laser moves faster than the speed of light and instantly reaches its destination.

Now what?

At this point, the only way it makes sense to your frame of reference is to involve the laser itself duplicating and each of its duplicates traveling through time, one arriving at Point C and then moving backwards towards point A and one departing from Point A and moving backwards in time towards Point C. There would have to be some middle point B2 that is also at present relative time where the two duplicated laser beams meet and perfectly cancel each other out, and then a B1 and B3 where the same thing repeated, and so on down to the distance where some subsection of the plank length was so small that it was universally indistinguishable from 0.

Which would mean that depending on your frame of reference the laser beam would have simultaneously erupted from and returned to every point along its line between point A and Point C, like a Math 126 Calculus problem brought into a horrifying reality, because it would most likely cause the destruction of a huge section of the universe by slicing a 20 light year wide 1 photon thick naked singularity into our galaxy, a.k.a jump starting the second big bang.

Re: Time Travel: Probability and Impossibility

#106

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The point of the no-communication theorem is that if you transport one half of the entangled pair to Alice, and one half of the entangled pair to Bob, neither of them can use measurements on their half of the entangled pair to communicate. It's forbidden by QM as we know it. If Alice can affect the initial state, of course she can use that to communicate something to Bob, because half of that state then gets transpor…

"Also it would immediately be used to cheat the stock market." So what exactly are you saying? /s https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/1053851755/blue-velvet-and-qu... Dean Stockwell, actor from Quantum Leap, reported dead today.

https://journals.aps.org/prx/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevX.9.041... Just wanted to mention that the 'white noise' problem in quantum information transfer may have been overcome by adding additional dimensions.

Sort of like speaking in metaphor when you're speaking English :)

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