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Re: Business Essentials

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steve_adams_86 wrote: post #150
dahfizz wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can screen readers not figure out that a 1px x 1px element with a clip-path: inset(0px 0px 99.9% 99.9%) is invisible?

The trouble is, I think, that typefaces vary so much that some could appear to have a strike through when they don't. Or take for example the number 0 which sometimes has a fairly horizontal slash through it. Do you program the screen reader to check if the struck letter is a 0, and if so, consider it not to be struck? But... What if it actually is, and that typeface doesn't have a slashed 0? Do you only check perfec…

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Re: Business Essentials

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Post by sna1l »

I see a lot of comments where people are saying this is a killer blow to JAMF but almost every single org has a heterogeneous set of devices (PCs, Macs, iPhones, Androids, etc), so how will this work with that?

Unless they support all types of devices why have yet another tool?

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by mixmastamyk »

mlyle wrote: post #191
mixmastamyk wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids don't get any "experience" contending with surveillance. It is all done behind your back, on purpose. Results are never deleted. Certainly schools are not even attempting to teach countermeasures. They tend to dabble in the "be aware of bullying and self-esteem" issues, but are completely outmatched in the security arena. Ignore at your peril.

We, at least, spend a fair bit of time on: - Advertising and dark patterns - What else can be inferred about you from seemingly innocuous information, and potential misuse - Durability of your digital footprint - Security, file types, etc. Education doesn't fix these issues, though. Even well-educated developers would often give up and click 'Allow' on a modal privilege escalation box that pops up repeatedly in resea…

Knowing these thing exist is a great first step, and glad to hear you are helping out.

But, it doesn't become a concrete, visceral thing until you inspect a no-script menu while browsing a news site. Or run Little Snitch on a freshly unboxed Mac. Or going to a "white pages" site and see the last four addresses of your family members. Salary info, current whereabouts, criminal history, are a fee away.

It's a different world.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by mataug »

sna1l wrote: post #202

I see a lot of comments where people are saying this is a killer blow to JAMF but almost every single org has a heterogeneous set of devices (PCs, Macs, iPhones, Androids, etc), so how will this work with that? Unless they support all types of devices why have yet another tool?

Not necessarily true, if a small business wants to keep MDM simple, they could adopt Apple's Business Essentials to get a lot of value quickly. These small businesses may like paying for apple care and MDM in a single payment rather than paying two separate companies.

You're correct in that large businesses have heterogeneous devices and JAMF will still be relevant there.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by tshaddox »

TakuYam wrote: post #89
hda111 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The newer MacBooks have easy repairable battery and connectors.

True but how often is the battery the issue in an enterprise environment? In my experience devices are seldom in circulation long enough that they require a battery swap. Port damage and clumsy or messy employees are far more likely to cause issues.

Your parent commenter mentioned connector as well. What else couldn't be repaired on-site that could be repaired off-site? I'm pretty sure anything that for anything that couldn't be repaired on-site they're just going to replace the whole computer.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by numbsafari »

The challenge for Apple is going to be their unwillingness to integrate with others. Business Manager only integrates with MS Azure Active Directory for IAM. The vast majority of small business do not have Azure Active Directory. They either have nothing, or they have Google Workspace.

Apple needs to not just launch a competitor for AD. They need to properly support integrated directory services with a broader range of systems.

Aside from that, they don't have an endpoint security solution, which is a necessary part of this package, ultimately, if they care going to replace JAMF, who is the real target/loser here.

If Apple can do those two things... well... I'd switch in a heartbeat. Why? Well, their support story is going to be way better than JAMF. Also, I hate having multiple vendors when I can have just one.

For those saying that Apple has no room left to grow... I expect this isn't the end of this for Apple going after business users. They need to roll Claris into the mix, stop acting like Numbers is a spreadsheet, and finally launch a cloud platform.

There's many billions for them to make here.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by airpoint »

pavs wrote: post #86
barelysapient wrote: post #5

2TB of storage for $12 a month? Plus the multi-device management options? Sign me up.

Google One has 9.99/ month for 2TB Option. Which also comes with a VPN. If Price is the differentiator, I think google provides the best value, but also provide additional services with their storage plans.

Apples and oranges.

Google One is a consumer product for sharing holiday pics with your family mate. The closest offer in the same target market from Apple is iCloud+, with same services for same price! Or as part of Apple One which is slightly pricier but includes a an array of additional consumer entertainment services.

Apple Business Essentials is a set of business services with guaranteed SLA’s.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by jordanbeiber »

nlh wrote: post #60

So just to make sure I'm reading this correctly (this is not my area of speciality so bear with me): This is Apple-hosted MDM, yes? I took a brief spin through this world on a consulting project a few years ago and I found it SUPER weird that Apple didn't do this already. You had to do this weird dance between Apple Business Manager and the MDM solution (we ended up with SimpleMDM but looked at a bunch). I kept sayin…

Business use is a collateral win for apple.

There’s a lot of effort that goes in to support and partner channels for enterprise offerings. Making servers seemed easy enough? Look where that ended up. It’s a completely different business.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by hhaha88 »

short12 wrote: post #144
motohagiography wrote: post #132

Smart play to focus on businesses with fewer than 500 employees, as those are the most likely to grow in the next 3-7 years into larger accounts, and they don't have the 12-18mo sales cycle and shennanigans of an enterprise. It's a strategic departure from being a consumer luxury product company, and the shift to enterprise suggests they're out of ideas, but at the rate they're losing consumer growth I'd say they've…

Didnt they already try this and it was a huge failure

I’ve been backing up and restoring my personal phone, and managing family gadgets that way for a while.

This is a reskin of an existing Apple iCloud infrastructure project.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by surye »

sna1l wrote: post #202

I see a lot of comments where people are saying this is a killer blow to JAMF but almost every single org has a heterogeneous set of devices (PCs, Macs, iPhones, Androids, etc), so how will this work with that? Unless they support all types of devices why have yet another tool?

I thought JAMF was Apple Only Ecosystem as well. So it's a lateral movement from the perspective of heterogeneous set of devices, but if you had to go with Apple or third party, given the same features and limitations, most would go first party.
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