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Re: Business Essentials

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Post by Damogran6 »

jupp0r wrote: post #136
fatnoah wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I figured, when my kids were a certain age, that if I took that route, they'd ALWAYS get around whatever control I put in front of them My son is 14, and when my wife proposed blocks and access control, I made this very point. Even if we were able to perfectly lock down our home and his phone, we can't control every other place he can access the Internet. So, we also are in a talk about it, occasionally check on wha…

You should still do some blocking to make sure he learns how to circumvent them. Those are valuable skills to have later in life, I still profit from the lessons I learned circumventing high school internet restrictions.

My kids learned all about that in schools...by the teachers...so they could bypass the blocks to see youtube videos for class!

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by 5faulker »

thih9 wrote: post #118

Slightly off topic, check out the HTML code next to the "Onsite repairs" box; the formatting uses strikethrough, but there is a hidden element with "Not" text before each crossed out line. I assume this is for accessibility or copy-paste compatibility; as a result the raw text still reads: > Onsite repairs: Not someday Not next week Not soon ASAP. I find this kind of attention to detail very cool. (Too bad "ASAP" is…

It's way too vague if they're channeling that much attention to it.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by zitterbewegung »

motohagiography wrote: post #132

Smart play to focus on businesses with fewer than 500 employees, as those are the most likely to grow in the next 3-7 years into larger accounts, and they don't have the 12-18mo sales cycle and shennanigans of an enterprise. It's a strategic departure from being a consumer luxury product company, and the shift to enterprise suggests they're out of ideas, but at the rate they're losing consumer growth I'd say they've…

Once Apple stops doing 22 percent year over year growth is when there is a problem. This is just Tim Cook’s personal plan to move Apple into more of a service oriented company and this product should have existed a long time ago.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by mixmastamyk »

oriki wrote: post #155
mlyle wrote: post #130

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MS and HS students are expected to be able to independently browse the internet to do research-- this doesn't work with whitelisting. (And in elementary, there's good human supervision of technology use).

This, not to mention it seems somewhat unproductive to lock off 99% of the internet because of information collection instead of teaching how to defeat those collectors. The kid's going to grow up and leave eventually and will have to contend with the full internet, it doesn't feel like a good idea to leave them without any experience of the kind of things you can run in to.

Kids don't get any "experience" contending with surveillance. It is all done behind your back, on purpose. Results are never deleted.

Certainly schools are not even attempting to teach countermeasures. They tend to dabble in the "be aware of bullying and self-esteem" issues, but are completely outmatched in the security arena. Ignore at your peril.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by Damogran6 »

mlyle wrote: post #101
_fat_santa wrote: post #95

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When I think back to when I was a kid, getting around school internet filters and helping my friends remove parental controls from their devices, I can't help but think the Streisand Effect was hard at work in my brain. The adults was determined that I wouldn't see a thing so I was determined to see it because what could they be hiding? Now approaching the age where the thought of having a family and kids is on my mi…

What do you think schools should do? I teach at a school (K-12), and there's definitely circumvention of technical controls at the high school level. But I can't help but think we're a whole better off because of the filtering.

You're obligated to block, because you're responsible for giving it to them and you have to deal with the population as a whole. I based my decisions on my kid's temperament. You don't have that luxury.

It doesn't mean you'll be in any way effective.

By the same token, we block this kind of traffic at work...all it ended up doing was pushing the negative traffic to employee's cellphones. Which is fine, because it makes the office network safer.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by Macha »

omnicognate wrote: post #158
kiryin wrote: post #127

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This is the right way to go. Teach, don't block. You fuck up your relationship to your kids if you force them to keep secrets from you and constantly "fight" against you. Because trust me, that's how it'll end up.

It doesn't. I have a whitelisting transparent proxy for my primary school-age kids. It's not controversial and they don't attempt to get round it or rail against it. If they want something they ask. If I say no (and explain why) they accept it. They're interested in internet safety and we discuss it frequently. Teaching vs blocking is a false dichotomy. As they get older I'll remove it in stages: blacklist, logging o…

> * Kids will resent any attempt to limit their access, and

> * Kids are NSA-level hackers who will circumvent any attempt at limiting their access.

There's plenty of people in their mid-20s now on HN who have been the kids, either working around their parents restrictions or their friends parents restrictions. I had an internet enabled phone as a 12 year old in 2004, so it's not a post-iPhone kid experience only.

And yes, parental control software has got smarter to not just be a matter of changing your DNS or using an alternative browser, but tunneling over SSH still defeats much of it, and yes the audience here is more tech savvy, but there's a hundred new web based proxies that open up every day that your chosen solution may not be up to date on blocking - whitelists avoid that but it's something a lot of people here are opposed to on moral grounds once kids reach a certain age. Certainly if you let them go out unsupervised that's not enforcable, and honestly you should be able to let a 12 year old go out unsupervised.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by scoopertrooper »

pavs wrote: post #86
barelysapient wrote: post #5

2TB of storage for $12 a month? Plus the multi-device management options? Sign me up.

Google One has 9.99/ month for 2TB Option. Which also comes with a VPN. If Price is the differentiator, I think google provides the best value, but also provide additional services with their storage plans.

Entirely different product though. Apple is providing a MDM solution for SMEs in addition to the storage.

The value of a VPN that doesn't allow you access to a corporate network is... dubious to a company.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by ksec »

This is what you get when part of Apple's Services Revenue is at risk . Finally doing something that it should have been since Day 1. Along with AppleCare+ Monthly option. Instead it took them the whole 2019 and 2020 before they act. I would imagine similar play will be made for Education market as well. As they are battling with Chromebook and now Windows 11 SE.

This is easily another billion dollar ARR.

Oh I would not be suspired if Johnson & Johnson are switching to using Mac sometimes in the future.

Edit: I would bet the on site repair is the only good thing ever came out of Butterfly keyboard fiasco.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by majou »

selykg wrote: post #47
dewey wrote: post #20

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Storing files in iCloud Drive is very different from a backup I would argue. What a business would want in this case is Backblaze like functionality with versioning / restore. iCloud drive also doesn't really help you with restoring a full system like it is possible on iOS where all your settings, passwords and apps are just like you left them.

I use Backblaze, and aside from the cost, it's great. It's fine for 1 computer, but oof, there's no multi-computer discount. Most of my machines aren't backing up terabytes of storage either. We're talking like ~100gb a machine and there's two of them. Businesses like to talk up "unlimited" but it's a pain when you're using less storage but have to subsidize those using a ton of storage.

A few years ago Backblaze started offering B2, a storage API priced at $0.005/GB/month, and dirt cheap egress fees unlike the big cloud offerings.

You'd save money switching to a client that supports B2, they have a list on the site, though I'm not sure which provide decent version management.

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