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> This isn't like an SSRI. 25mg psilocybin isn't something you can just pop at the beginning of a workday. Your setting and "head space" matter a lot for how your "trip" (which we will now rebrand as "treatment") will go. This needs to be accounted for in future studies. This is what I worry about. It's likely great, when done in the care of a licensed and trained therapist . It's not the mystical panacea many will m…
The Huberman Lab podcast episode on depression touches on this. According to Dr. Huberman the quality of the trip is not important, the chemical changes the brain function regardless.
Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms
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#102The shrooms community has known about this for a long time, and now it's just about recreating the knowledge in peer-reviewed studies. Although there is a lot of "woo woo" on shrooms usage in the online communities, I do hope that researchers can extract the useful bits. This isn't like an SSRI. 25mg psilocybin isn't something you can just pop at the beginning of a workday. Your setting and "head space" matter a lot…
> This isn't like an SSRI. 25mg psilocybin isn't something you can just pop at the beginning of a workday. Your setting and "head space" matter a lot for how your "trip" (which we will now rebrand as "treatment") will go. This needs to be accounted for in future studies. This is what I worry about. It's likely great, when done in the care of a licensed and trained therapist . It's not the mystical panacea many will m…
As someone with a lot of experience with psilocybin, there's all this mysticism around it. People act like you're injecting fentanyl. If someone doesn't have a license and training, you're going to instantaneously see flying demon dragons and go schizophrenic.
It's actually fairly tolerant over quite a large range and I know a lot of people who have used over the last year and they are all in spectacular shape.
It reminds me about all that nonsense on HN last year about how if you weren't tested and trained on wearing N95 masks, you wouldn't be able to use them effectively. People over-rate licensing.
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#103Have a lot of experience with microdosing psilocybin, as well as with psychedelics like Ayahuasca. My experience with both as a means to remedy depression have been significant. It is analagous to having a lamp in a dark forest. It won't get you through it itself, you need courage, and other tools like meditation (your machete), exercise (your provisions) and intention (your compass) to succeed. But with it, everythi…
This isn't something you can really answer, but I'd be game to try micro-dosing psilocybin, but I have no idea where to get it safely (from LEOs and bad chemistry). It would be great if the local dispensary sold it.
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#104As somebody who sometimes "treats" severe multi-decades-long depression with psychedelics, I'm not surprised that they'd have a positive impact but the news seems too unclear to my simple mind to make sense of a few things: 1- why is a private group on the stock market doing this, instead of public research & universities? vested interests in seizing a market of illegal drugs in a legal way worry me, because it's eas…
I too have treated MDD with psychedelics along side CBT therapy (not in official conjunction) and found that my suicidal ideation and anhedonia subsided for about a year after my first big trip. Since then, I've done heroic doses and microdoses and found that the most beneficial to me was infrequent large doses combined with integration in therapy afterwards. I agree with your take that it's more akin to a "shock the…
For me the psychedelic trips have been an opportunity to focus on a subset of CBT (challenging negative thoughts + behavioural activation), while in the day-to-day CBT I've focused more on keeping in mind the cognitive-behavioural model as well as an index of cognitive distortions to test my flowing thoughts against. It's a bit challenging to try to hold on to your flowing thoughts when under the influence of noticeable doses of psychedelics, and that's why I focused more on specific points of trauma as well as noticeable reactions (literally looking at my face in the mirror at times). I've personally noticed two different moments post-trip: the first few hours to days where clarity of mind is much higher than my baseline and I can transform the work of the trip into something tangible in the long run (like a commitment to the gym), and the next few weeks where I sense an initially sharp and then gradual fading out of any "afterglow" from the trip, which is why I've come to see those trips as shock therapy even when I can extract something positive beyond the horizon of time of that "afterglow". I've also noticed that this whole system worked less and less well with the years, the window of time going from months to weeks to days, even as I spaced apart the psychedelic trips more and more (1/month -> 3-4/year -> 1/year or less).
I used to be a bit wary of inherent bias from researchers all too eager to share positive things with the world, but with the widening of the Overton window regarding psychedelics and the success of the cannabis market in many places in the world I've also started to be wary of financial interests in the subject. Nonetheless, I'm really looking forward to the new research coming out around psychedelics because there's just so much that we don't actually know properly with science to back it up - and more teams to work on the subject will offer more chances to figure out what's going on within that expansive world.
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If you throw 100M people at this as a solution, do you expect to see most carefully and successfully getting through it like you or would most just become addicted and eventually lose their job and go homeless?
Addicted and losing your job because of psilocybin? I've not tried it myself, but many of my friends have, and anecdotally, none of them have (to my knowledge) ever even gotten to the point of it being a "habit". I can't say the same for alcohol, cocaine, and even cannabis. I know people who have had problems with all of them.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn't something you can really answer, but I'd be game to try micro-dosing psilocybin, but I have no idea where to get it safely (from LEOs and bad chemistry). It would be great if the local dispensary sold it.
If you are in Canada, acquiring them from reputable sources is very easy. Also, growing them is not too difficult. Depending on your location, spores can be easy to find too, and then the quality control is ultimately all up to you.
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#107There was a great interview between Peter Attia and David Nutt on the research and effectiveness of psychedelics on various disorders https://peterattiamd.com/davidnutt/ He touches on the history of governments banning various drugs through junk science and propaganda (mostly from the US which influences the rest of the world). The scheduling system for drugs is a joke. Also interesting that the inventor of AA credit…
I think though the psychedelic community can be somewhat pseudo-sciency (they were of course driven out of main stream science), the reference to psychedelics as a healing tool is apt. It is not the mere ingestion of psychedelics which helps people, but the intense and vivid realizations, visions, and feelings they come to experience which deeply affects them. Its a subtle difference - but I hypothesize that if you put people under anesthesia and gave them a high dose the long term results would be measurable weaker than those who were lucid for the experience.
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#108The shrooms community has known about this for a long time, and now it's just about recreating the knowledge in peer-reviewed studies. Although there is a lot of "woo woo" on shrooms usage in the online communities, I do hope that researchers can extract the useful bits. This isn't like an SSRI. 25mg psilocybin isn't something you can just pop at the beginning of a workday. Your setting and "head space" matter a lot…
> 25mg psilocybin isn't something you can just pop at the beginning of a workday. I would disagree. For many, 25mg is sub-perceptual. Source: have done this over several year.
Re: Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms
#109The shrooms community has known about this for a long time, and now it's just about recreating the knowledge in peer-reviewed studies. Although there is a lot of "woo woo" on shrooms usage in the online communities, I do hope that researchers can extract the useful bits. This isn't like an SSRI. 25mg psilocybin isn't something you can just pop at the beginning of a workday. Your setting and "head space" matter a lot…
> 25mg psilocybin isn't something you can just pop at the beginning of a workday. I would disagree. For many, 25mg is sub-perceptual. Source: have done this over several year.
Re: Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms
#110As somebody who sometimes "treats" severe multi-decades-long depression with psychedelics, I'm not surprised that they'd have a positive impact but the news seems too unclear to my simple mind to make sense of a few things: 1- why is a private group on the stock market doing this, instead of public research & universities? vested interests in seizing a market of illegal drugs in a legal way worry me, because it's eas…
It is because you see the experiences as false compared to the reality you are now immersed in. If a big trip doesnt manage to completely change your belief system it has mostly failed in its effect. It is the change in beliefs that lead to a lasting result. If one leaves the experience denying the new experience and calling it false or calling it just a dream then it will surely fade and results will not last. This…
I appreciate that you find freedom in your personal belief system, and I'm happy for you. But you're definitely getting ahead of yourself if you think that whatever you're holding on to is a universal truth for all that is living. I've had that conversation countless times with people who've also gone through DMT breakthroughs: you're no less in a prison of your own mind when you think this way, you've only shifted your philosophical perspective into a place that anchors different beliefs in place. They appear entirely valid because you perceive less subjective suffering, but generalizing the idea that those beliefs are valid everywhere and for everyone is like believing that a singular value in a system of differential equations give the whole picture. There's a difference between solving your problems and solving everybody's problems, and thankfully the scientific work comes into place to bridge that gap (however slow the process might be).
I appreciate your intentions and I think there are nuggets of truth in what you write (re-integration helps you carry things further, meditation offers relief, a change of beliefs most often does lead to lasting results yes), however some people are allergic to blindly dogmatic thinking and I happen to be one of them. Your entire post could have been written to advocate for religion X, Y or Z btw, and people in each religion have just as valid of a claim as you do when it comes to their belief systems alleviating their suffering.
Mandating that one is bound to find the truth with a big T if one "does it right" is pretty much one of the things that as a guide for others through psychedelics I've never made the mistake of advocating for. Psychedelics are a journey, and like any journey you might come in with who you are and come out with different parts but the more you project rigid expectations the less you'll actually extract from the journey itself. Like any journey, two different people taking the same means of transportation and going to the same place, might extract two entirely different things.
It would do a lot of good to a subset of the psychonaut community to retain empathy and compassion when it comes to sharing about personal journeys.