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Re: Business Essentials

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Post by fatnoah »

Damogran6 wrote: post #81
supernovae wrote: post #74

I wish they had a better MDM for kids... All I want to do is ensure that NextDNS is installed/forced and that they can't remove it. Somehow, if you block store, block adding apps and block removing apps and hide the icons, kids still figure out how to remove the damn thing and the only thing you can do to block it is set a 1 minute time limit (why can't you set 0 minutes? wtf apple?) and hope they don't stay up until…

I figured, when my kids were a certain age, that if I took that route, they'd ALWAYS get around whatever control I put in front of them. Either at home, or at school or at a friends house. Told them there was stuff on the internet that could harm them, that there was stuff they could NOT unsee. They're 18 now, the results of the science experiment are still out, but they seem to have turned out okay.

>I figured, when my kids were a certain age, that if I took that route, they'd ALWAYS get around whatever control I put in front of them

My son is 14, and when my wife proposed blocks and access control, I made this very point. Even if we were able to perfectly lock down our home and his phone, we can't control every other place he can access the Internet. So, we also are in a talk about it, occasionally check on what he's been into, talk about anything "interesting" that comes up, but NEVER make a big deal of if. As long as we're able to discuss it (and no, he doesn't love talking about it), I'm OK. By keeping it low stress and low key, there's no incentive for him to hide.

Re: Business Essentials

#132

Post by motohagiography »

Smart play to focus on businesses with fewer than 500 employees, as those are the most likely to grow in the next 3-7 years into larger accounts, and they don't have the 12-18mo sales cycle and shennanigans of an enterprise.

It's a strategic departure from being a consumer luxury product company, and the shift to enterprise suggests they're out of ideas, but at the rate they're losing consumer growth I'd say they've still got another 150 years. Leveraging the apple store as a service point is a huge deal, as it may compensate for the additional hardware premium their products cost.

I've worked in a large number of organizations as a consultant and the microsoft ecosystem is basically unusuable to me now. Between performance issues and thoughtless design, I switch back to my apple devices to do simple things and get real feedback from actions while I'm waiting for the microsoft platform to respond. As a result, I manage client work on MSFT, and do real work on my mac. With Apple getting into this space, I can't see buying another microsoft product unless I actually hated the people I was hiring to use it.

The essence of the apple experience is that by their products being designed to be responsive no matter what, you are always engaged and working on them for the feedback, whereas some MSFT error message means I'm going to go do something else for 15-20m while I get past the gumption trap. Current one is having to reboot the machine to reset a VPN driver just to check client site email. MSFTs problem isn't from lack of a solution, it's that the problem exists at all and as a user I am even aware of it.

I have lots of issues with Apple's social decisions, and am switching out of their ecosystem because of it so I'm not an uncritical fan, however, this announcement means they aren't just getting into enterprise, they're getting upstream of it and in 10-20 years they will have replaced a lot of it. They're dropping in on a macro trend wave that is how work itself is going to be different.

Re: Business Essentials

#134

Post by Hackbraten »

ryanianian wrote: post #120
thealistra wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like fueling anxiety in the kids that they are being watched. Doesn’t sound okay

> kids that they are being watched They already are though. Usually by tech companies without the kid's best interests at heart. Tailor it to the kid. Certain amounts of anxiety in developing minors around surveillance seem healthy, especially given the risks associated with unfettered access to the dangerous fire-hose that is the internet which itself has tracking at every corner.

Still, lying to your kids is not ok. If you don’t have software on your router that tracks everything they do, don’t pretend that you have. Being surveilled is a feeling that sticks. Being tricked, too. Don’t assume your kids will forget eventually.

Re: Business Essentials

#135

Post by rnotaro »

anonAndOn wrote: post #112
mlyle wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think schools should do? I teach at a school (K-12), and there's definitely circumvention of technical controls at the high school level. But I can't help but think we're a whole better off because of the filtering.

DNS filtering (pi-hole is great here), scheduled vLAN time of use shutoffs (no after school shenanigans), obvious blacklists and ip request logging + pop-up warning are probably good enough for 95% of kids.

Then they will probably use their Data Plan if they have one to get around it.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by jupp0r »

fatnoah wrote: post #131
Damogran6 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I figured, when my kids were a certain age, that if I took that route, they'd ALWAYS get around whatever control I put in front of them. Either at home, or at school or at a friends house. Told them there was stuff on the internet that could harm them, that there was stuff they could NOT unsee. They're 18 now, the results of the science experiment are still out, but they seem to have turned out okay.

>I figured, when my kids were a certain age, that if I took that route, they'd ALWAYS get around whatever control I put in front of them My son is 14, and when my wife proposed blocks and access control, I made this very point. Even if we were able to perfectly lock down our home and his phone, we can't control every other place he can access the Internet. So, we also are in a talk about it, occasionally check on wha…

You should still do some blocking to make sure he learns how to circumvent them. Those are valuable skills to have later in life, I still profit from the lessons I learned circumventing high school internet restrictions.

Re: Business Essentials

#138

Post by dahfizz »

CityOfThrowaway wrote: post #121
thih9 wrote: post #118

Slightly off topic, check out the HTML code next to the "Onsite repairs" box; the formatting uses strikethrough, but there is a hidden element with "Not" text before each crossed out line. I assume this is for accessibility or copy-paste compatibility; as a result the raw text still reads: > Onsite repairs: Not someday Not next week Not soon ASAP. I find this kind of attention to detail very cool. (Too bad "ASAP" is…

This is for the visually impaired! Screen readers will announce the hidden element

Can screen readers not figure out that a 1px x 1px element with a clip-path: inset(0px 0px 99.9% 99.9%) is invisible?

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by lostlogin »

samstave wrote: post #62
j16sdiz wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2. I have had multiple employers in Silicon Valley who had the BYOD (Bring you own device) policy implemented but then they attached a SECONDARY DEVICE to my iCloud account and were slurping all personal records from that. I don't think MDM allow the admin to hijack your icloud account. Are you sure it's your employer, not some other?

Positive. Its happening everywhere, and by dog-years and internet standards, this is ancient Never EVER trust ANY HR department. They are not your friends.

HR? They are ‘People and Culture’ now.

Re: Business Essentials

#140

Post by ec109685 »

Damogran6 wrote: post #81
supernovae wrote: post #74

I wish they had a better MDM for kids... All I want to do is ensure that NextDNS is installed/forced and that they can't remove it. Somehow, if you block store, block adding apps and block removing apps and hide the icons, kids still figure out how to remove the damn thing and the only thing you can do to block it is set a 1 minute time limit (why can't you set 0 minutes? wtf apple?) and hope they don't stay up until…

I figured, when my kids were a certain age, that if I took that route, they'd ALWAYS get around whatever control I put in front of them. Either at home, or at school or at a friends house. Told them there was stuff on the internet that could harm them, that there was stuff they could NOT unsee. They're 18 now, the results of the science experiment are still out, but they seem to have turned out okay.

I don't understand why it's healthy to provide one click access to the hardest core pornography to a 12 year old. Putting some restrictions in place are better than nothing in my book.
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