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Re: Business Essentials

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Post by CityOfThrowaway »

thih9 wrote: post #118

Slightly off topic, check out the HTML code next to the "Onsite repairs" box; the formatting uses strikethrough, but there is a hidden element with "Not" text before each crossed out line. I assume this is for accessibility or copy-paste compatibility; as a result the raw text still reads: > Onsite repairs: Not someday Not next week Not soon ASAP. I find this kind of attention to detail very cool. (Too bad "ASAP" is…

This is for the visually impaired! Screen readers will announce the hidden element

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Post by mlyle »

anonAndOn wrote: post #112
mlyle wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think schools should do? I teach at a school (K-12), and there's definitely circumvention of technical controls at the high school level. But I can't help but think we're a whole better off because of the filtering.

DNS filtering (pi-hole is great here), scheduled vLAN time of use shutoffs (no after school shenanigans), obvious blacklists and ip request logging + pop-up warning are probably good enough for 95% of kids.

We use Meraki (huge wireless deployment, so it makes a lot of sense to just use their gateway and call it good) with their blacklists. Biggest problem is it considers too many things "gaming" and needs exceptions-- e.g. lichess and chess.com are OK. Authentication and logging are pretty good.

Rateshaping students to have enough bandwidth to do schoolwork but not to have wonderful connectivity (campus has a 2gbps symmetric connection, but we only give students 4-5 megabits/sec over wifi most places on campus) is also a part of the picture.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by wejick »

Wow, company where I work just rolled out kandji what a timing.

However I don't think online storage is necessary for most business that already using either Google or Microsoft office products.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

anonAndOn wrote: post #112
mlyle wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think schools should do? I teach at a school (K-12), and there's definitely circumvention of technical controls at the high school level. But I can't help but think we're a whole better off because of the filtering.

DNS filtering (pi-hole is great here), scheduled vLAN time of use shutoffs (no after school shenanigans), obvious blacklists and ip request logging + pop-up warning are probably good enough for 95% of kids.

Whitelists. It's kind of a pain, but might help reign in the teachers that send kids everywhere on the internet without much thought about the surveillance dangers.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by gwright »

thealistra wrote: post #99
ryanianian wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "at your own peril" strategy is effective for some. Or go the panopticon route: "I have software on the router that can see everything you do, but I don't usually look at it."

This sounds like fueling anxiety in the kids that they are being watched. Doesn’t sound okay

> kids that they are being watched

Not sure that "kids" is well defined here. But it seems completely normal that "kids" would be watched by their parents.

I realize that the appropriate nature of "watching" is going to change with the age of the "kid", but oversight and watchfulness by a parent shouldn't be viewed as inherently problematic.

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Post by kiryin »

Damogran6 wrote: post #81
supernovae wrote: post #74

I wish they had a better MDM for kids... All I want to do is ensure that NextDNS is installed/forced and that they can't remove it. Somehow, if you block store, block adding apps and block removing apps and hide the icons, kids still figure out how to remove the damn thing and the only thing you can do to block it is set a 1 minute time limit (why can't you set 0 minutes? wtf apple?) and hope they don't stay up until…

I figured, when my kids were a certain age, that if I took that route, they'd ALWAYS get around whatever control I put in front of them. Either at home, or at school or at a friends house. Told them there was stuff on the internet that could harm them, that there was stuff they could NOT unsee. They're 18 now, the results of the science experiment are still out, but they seem to have turned out okay.

This is the right way to go. Teach, don't block. You fuck up your relationship to your kids if you force them to keep secrets from you and constantly "fight" against you. Because trust me, that's how it'll end up.

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by xyzzy21 »

nlh wrote: post #60

So just to make sure I'm reading this correctly (this is not my area of speciality so bear with me): This is Apple-hosted MDM, yes? I took a brief spin through this world on a consulting project a few years ago and I found it SUPER weird that Apple didn't do this already. You had to do this weird dance between Apple Business Manager and the MDM solution (we ended up with SimpleMDM but looked at a bunch). I kept sayin…

Yes. But this is nothing new for even Apple.

Just go an look at WWDCs for the last 10-15 years. There have been regular MDM sessions to talk about featured added to iOS and MacOS for this.

This is also related to agreements made years ago between Apple and IBM to provide exactly this primarily because Apple has never wanted to compromise their customer connection (which in business is IT and NOT the end user), and IBM has needed the opportunity (despite IBM transitioning from Fail they are still not to a level of revenue expected for their stock price and heritage - so they are "hungry").

Re: Business Essentials

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Post by mlyle »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #124
anonAndOn wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DNS filtering (pi-hole is great here), scheduled vLAN time of use shutoffs (no after school shenanigans), obvious blacklists and ip request logging + pop-up warning are probably good enough for 95% of kids.

Whitelists. It's kind of a pain, but might help reign in the teachers that send kids everywhere on the internet without much thought about the surveillance dangers.

MS and HS students are expected to be able to independently browse the internet to do research-- this doesn't work with whitelisting. (And in elementary, there's good human supervision of technology use).
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