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Re: AirCover by Airbnb

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Post by markdown »

dippindots44 wrote: post #40
numair wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a weird ad-post for You.com earlier, which I mistakenly thought was organic... And now this. HN needs a bit more transparency or it’s going to lose a few of us.

That thread was moderated. You can tell because the founder’s opening introduction was pinned above dang pinning his own comment about a related thread. Those are conscious moderator actions which are about as transparent as it gets and illuminate the thinking on the other side (hint: you’re not aligned, but it sounds like you already expected that)

Except @dang was hiding negative comments about You.com. There's nothing transparent about that.

Re: AirCover by Airbnb

#42

Post by detaro »

markdown wrote: post #41
dippindots44 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That thread was moderated. You can tell because the founder’s opening introduction was pinned above dang pinning his own comment about a related thread. Those are conscious moderator actions which are about as transparent as it gets and illuminate the thinking on the other side (hint: you’re not aligned, but it sounds like you already expected that)

Except @dang was hiding negative comments about You.com. There's nothing transparent about that.

which negative comments where hidden? The entire threads are full of negative sentiment?

Re: AirCover by Airbnb

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Post by vvarren »

rootsudo wrote: post #18

Wow, the astroturfing in this thread already is happening. 0. This is nothing new, airbnb always had a free "guarantee" they just rebranded it basically from what I see to a trademarkable name. 1. Umbrella policy is better than airbnb. Umbrella policy will go after all parties including airbnb on your behalf. 2. Airbnb has a history of ignoring or mitigating damages unless you get famous on social media - this includ…

I stayed in an Airbnb in Bangkok and in the middle of the night we found a guy under the bed. Airbnb was kind enough to refund us the replacement fee of the key we took with us as we ran for our life. Awful company.

Re: AirCover by Airbnb

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Post by locusofself »

vvarren wrote: post #44
rootsudo wrote: post #18

Wow, the astroturfing in this thread already is happening. 0. This is nothing new, airbnb always had a free "guarantee" they just rebranded it basically from what I see to a trademarkable name. 1. Umbrella policy is better than airbnb. Umbrella policy will go after all parties including airbnb on your behalf. 2. Airbnb has a history of ignoring or mitigating damages unless you get famous on social media - this includ…

I stayed in an Airbnb in Bangkok and in the middle of the night we found a guy under the bed. Airbnb was kind enough to refund us the replacement fee of the key we took with us as we ran for our life. Awful company.

ok you can't just say you "found a guy". was he alive? dead? a thief/perv?

Re: AirCover by Airbnb

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Post by jrockway »

addicted wrote: post #34
bombcar wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody. AirBNB lived on the gray area where people rented properties that weren’t setup or insured for such.

That’s basically the gig economy. Shifting all the hidden and one off costs to unsophisticated gig workers who are unable to factor those costs in.

AirBnB is interesting in that it's like the gig economy, but actors that have unlimited capital can participate. If you have a few million bucks, you can park it in real estate in a touristy place and rent it out for $150 a night (compared to This is different than the gig economy where workers are just pouring hours of their lives into a dead-end job. You never get more efficient at being an Uber driver or a Doordash delivery person. You put in the hours, you get paid, and nothing changes for the rest of your life. (This is certainly true of some non-gig jobs, but at least you get a guaranteed 40 hours of paid work a week, don't have to buy your own supplies, get some paid holidays, and get health insurance.)

Re: AirCover by Airbnb

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Post by dippindots44 »

markdown wrote: post #41
dippindots44 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That thread was moderated. You can tell because the founder’s opening introduction was pinned above dang pinning his own comment about a related thread. Those are conscious moderator actions which are about as transparent as it gets and illuminate the thinking on the other side (hint: you’re not aligned, but it sounds like you already expected that)

Except @dang was hiding negative comments about You.com. There's nothing transparent about that.

He replied to you explaining his reasons for detaching your completely shit comment. I found that explanation in ten seconds just by clicking on your name. I also found you replying to his reply, so it’s amusing to see you claim what went down wasn’t transparent. You were there, friendo. Way to go all debate club on dang with a clearly hurt essay after a pointless observation about the name being used as a verb didn’t score as you’d like.

Don’t dilute this thread about (legitimately interesting) turfing with your simmering annoyance from being moderated for good reason. We all see what happened, it’s fairly transparent

Re: AirCover by Airbnb

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Post by LurkingPenguin »

rootsudo wrote: post #18

Wow, the astroturfing in this thread already is happening. 0. This is nothing new, airbnb always had a free "guarantee" they just rebranded it basically from what I see to a trademarkable name. 1. Umbrella policy is better than airbnb. Umbrella policy will go after all parties including airbnb on your behalf. 2. Airbnb has a history of ignoring or mitigating damages unless you get famous on social media - this includ…

> If you are a tourist in most countries and "fly" back home, you are judgement proof. There only liability is the guests airbnb account, which, is worthless. You can create new accounts, and in most places you can use alternative government identification to bypass previous bans.

This isn't necessarily true. If you fly the coop, you might be out of the reach of a host or local law enforcement, but in some places action could still be taken against you in your absence. While for all practical purposes, you might never have to face the consequences if you never plan to return unless you were accused of doing something really terrible (like murdering or seriously injuring someone), it's best not to get yourself into legal entanglements in foreign countries, whether criminal or civil. Especially if you do think you might want to visit again in the future.

Also, AirBnB has taken legal action against guests itself[1], so that's potentially a risk in some cases too.

One of the best ways to avoid finding yourself in precarious situations while traveling abroad is to stay in legal accommodations, be they licensed hotels, hostels, homestays, etc. It's also one of the best things you can do to respect the places you visit. AirBnB is a horrible company that has single-handedly ruined buildings and neighborhoods and even, arguably, significantly harmed many popular tourist destinations, with its inventory of frequently illegal short-term rentals.

[1] https://sfist.com/2021/08/17/airbnb-is-suing-guest-who-threw...

Re: AirCover by Airbnb

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Post by LurkingPenguin »

locusofself wrote: post #45
vvarren wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I stayed in an Airbnb in Bangkok and in the middle of the night we found a guy under the bed. Airbnb was kind enough to refund us the replacement fee of the key we took with us as we ran for our life. Awful company.

ok you can't just say you "found a guy". was he alive? dead? a thief/perv?

The bed was probably listed as a separate budget "room" on AirBnB.
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