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Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms

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Re: Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IIRC, the famous "Good Friday" psilocybin experiment had some people from the control group believe they were not in the control group. I can find a few people right now that believe that Lord of the Rings is a historical account of medieval Europe.

Right but when it comes to questions of placebo, the belief is what matters.

People have sniffed my socks and thought they huffed ether.

Re: Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms

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I’m a believer in the potential value but think placebo or blind studies of psychedelics are absurd. You know full well of you’ve eaten an eighth of cubensis. I think to be fair, they should compare psychedelic treatment to other therapies like ECT or a weeklong vacation to Hawaii.

9 weeks of TMS should be tried before ECT. ECT is just one away from a lobotomy in terms of brutality and risk.

ECT is not as brutal or risky as it used to be. You can now opt for unilateral treatment (only shocking one hemisphere) rather than bilateral for the same outcome with lessened side effects. I agree TMS should come first, but I think the comparison of ECT to lobotomy is misguided.

Re: Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms

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Some quick points: > 233 patients Very small, can't generalize results based on such a small number. Doesn't mean the study's trash or anything, but don't jump to any conclusions here - good or bad. > "The trial, which had all patients stopping antidepressants before participating, compared two active doses of COMP360, 25mg and 10mg, against a comparator 1mg dose." - COMP360 was, I assume, their therapeutic psilocybi…

> Very small, can't generalize results based on such a small number. This comes up pretty often, but how many subjects do you need to know getting punched in the face hurts? It's absolutely possible to get statistically significant data from 233 patients, what matters is how the study is designed.

Yeah For surveying large populations I think you only need around 270 samples to get 90% acuuracy. Something like that, might have mixed up at word it's been awhile since I did stats.

Re: Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms

#34

Psilocybin has changed my life. It needs to be available to everyone in the world. Pharmaceutical companies will fuck it up (it's coming - very quickly) so learn to grow your own.

Legality aside, growing and consuming a fungus to me, someone who knows nothing about them outside the grocery store, sounds very dangerous.

People eat mushrooms all the time. they aren't dangerous.

Re: Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms

#35

Wow, 5% reported suicidal ideation or self harm, in a clinical setting. That’s pretty horrible.

I had one trip where I found peace with the idea of dying. Why keep struggling with life if you can leave it in harmony? Not sure if I would call this suicidal though.

But it changed my attitude towards dying. I think if I had a hopeless disease or was close to dying otherwise I wouldn't fight it but try to die in a peaceful and aware way.

Re: Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms

#36

I’m a believer in the potential value but think placebo or blind studies of psychedelics are absurd. You know full well of you’ve eaten an eighth of cubensis. I think to be fair, they should compare psychedelic treatment to other therapies like ECT or a weeklong vacation to Hawaii.

One way to do this — and I don’t know why it isn’t done — is to use a general anesthetic and then administer drug/placebo and record effects.

Re: Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms

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post #36

I’m a believer in the potential value but think placebo or blind studies of psychedelics are absurd. You know full well of you’ve eaten an eighth of cubensis. I think to be fair, they should compare psychedelic treatment to other therapies like ECT or a weeklong vacation to Hawaii.

One way to do this — and I don’t know why it isn’t done — is to use a general anesthetic and then administer drug/placebo and record effects.

Not clear that it works when not conscious

Re: Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms

#38

I am pretty prone to depression and I definitely feel it lifting for a while after microdosing or taking a larger dose. Unfortunately I have never experienced a life changing trip that solved all problems as you may want to believe when you read some of the latest articles about the miracle of psilocybin and other psychedelics. Same for Ayahuasca. It seems to help a lot of people but for me it was more just a very in…

It’s a pretty well established fact that creatives have to use some mind altering substances to be productive, but it’s hard to believe that claim if you’ve never experienced them personally.

Re: Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms

#39

I am pretty prone to depression and I definitely feel it lifting for a while after microdosing or taking a larger dose. Unfortunately I have never experienced a life changing trip that solved all problems as you may want to believe when you read some of the latest articles about the miracle of psilocybin and other psychedelics. Same for Ayahuasca. It seems to help a lot of people but for me it was more just a very in…

When I meditate hardcore then after a session, I also look differently at light.

Re: Compass Pathways' Phase IIb psilocybin trial shows reduced depression symptoms

#40

I’m a believer in the potential value but think placebo or blind studies of psychedelics are absurd. You know full well of you’ve eaten an eighth of cubensis. I think to be fair, they should compare psychedelic treatment to other therapies like ECT or a weeklong vacation to Hawaii.

There is a specific belief here around something which changes under these substances, around memory, recall, ideation, I'd use the word "plasticity" but thats not what I mean. Taking these drugs (or MDMA) and undergoing some kind of guided psychological engagement, appears to have lasting effects on how mood is mapped over experience, for people suffering negative ideation/PTSD.

I'd love to poo-poo this because I believe in (and do) CBT and have a continuing high level engagement with somebody which is strongly anti-drug: the SSRI are a weapon for a problem which are being over-used. Its classic hammer/nail analogy stuff.

There was interesting, good science being done on these drugs before the "war on dope" took everything offline.

Consider the work on its effect on timor mortis. If we can ease people's passage into an inevitable end, Isn't that net-beneficial overall?

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