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The U.S. Treasury is buying private app data to target and investigate people

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Re: The U.S. Treasury is buying private app data to target and investigate people

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If a private company can buy the data why shouldn't the government be able to? The real solution is to not allow the data to be sold to anyone.

Private companies (theoretically/ideally) don't have the power of life and death over you

More broadly, a monopoly on violence.

Re: The U.S. Treasury is buying private app data to target and investigate people

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We can't rely on SCOTUS to make this ruling for another 50+ years, so our best hope is to start with state legislators. The majority of law enforcement happens at a state level, and most state legislators aren't as hamstrung as the federal one is, so this is the easiest way to achieve the most impactful results. Also, POTUS is in charge of most federal law enforcement agencies. So it might be possible to handle this…

Feels like it would be more airtight to amend the Constitution. Why hope that precedence falls a certain way instead of removing any ambiguity from the law?

There's a good chance the Constitution covers this now. What we need are uncompromised courts to hear and rule on 4A violations.

Re: The U.S. Treasury is buying private app data to target and investigate people

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We need a Supreme Court ruling or law that says if the government doesn’t have a warrant to collect your data, they also can’t buy it from third parties. We also need privacy protections so these companies wouldn’t exist in the first place.

We can't rely on SCOTUS to make this ruling for another 50+ years, so our best hope is to start with state legislators. The majority of law enforcement happens at a state level, and most state legislators aren't as hamstrung as the federal one is, so this is the easiest way to achieve the most impactful results. Also, POTUS is in charge of most federal law enforcement agencies. So it might be possible to handle this…

I'm not so pessimistic. United States v. Jones showed that both wings of the court can unite to push back on this kind of overreach.

Re: The U.S. Treasury is buying private app data to target and investigate people

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Yes, and also wage garnishment is another thing that is definitely a common thing.

Wage garnishment is predominantly for child support and alimony, no? Is that a bad thing?

I don't think so.

Re: The U.S. Treasury is buying private app data to target and investigate people

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Why do you need more similarities? The mass data collection completes the system.

Because we need to understand the purpose of the data collection and what bad things might happen because of it. If Treasury is using this data to catch people who violate economic sanctions, ok. If the IRS is using this data to catch people who cheat on their taxes, ok. I don't love either of those things, but they are using the data only to do things that have been defined as their job to do for a long time now. Th…

Selective enforcement is more American than apple pie and baseball.

Re: The U.S. Treasury is buying private app data to target and investigate people

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the subpoena system, for all its failings, is that public constraint. if it can be circumvented, that constraint effectively no longer exists.

The requirement of a subpoena doesn't prevent the government from taking actions that private actors could legally do, it compels private actors to act according to state whims. If someone volunteers information, it is not a "circumvention" of the subpoena. Breaking into Google and stealing information for a criminal investigation would be circumventing it.

> The requirement of a subpoena doesn't prevent the government from taking actions that private actors could legally do

Irrelevant. Gov wants data, Gov gets a narrowly targeted warrant first. Beyond this lies 4A violations.

Re: The U.S. Treasury is buying private app data to target and investigate people

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>> Unlike private actors, governmental actors are publicly constrained in their actions and representatives of the will of our society. Are you aware of the term 'unelected bureaucrat', and do you know how many of them exist? They are accountable to no one. They continually prove to be significant problems.

Even the most unelected bureaucrat in America is more representative of the will of the people than a middle manager at Facebook.

I'm more afraid of police and local prosecutors than anyone at Facebook, including Zuck himself.

Re: The U.S. Treasury is buying private app data to target and investigate people

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Failure to navigate a capitalist system of hoop-jumping due to lack of funds causes a self-fulfilling prophesy of poor performance at said hoop-jumping and associated poor credit scores. Blaming the victim comes to mind.

If I only pay my bills on time does my credit score go up in the US? Asking because I don't know, but if that is the case, not sure why you can call it 'hoop jumping'. I don't care for the credit companies, they're total scum. But I'm not sure how to do anything better.

Afaict, your credit score will likely be lower if you haven't had a credit card open for a long time, run your balances too close to the limit (available credit) on those cards, or don't use them at all. My understanding is that your bills, depending on their type, may not even bother reporting to the credit agencies, or only report when they believe you have failed to pay; reliable ones seem to be big loans like mortgages, student or auto loans, and then credit cards. Rent, utilities, etc haven't seemed to affect my credit positively (or if they do they haven't been noticeable compared to the first category)

When I graduated, rented, and paid all my student loans off early and did not have a credit card my credit score actually went down significantly until I opened credit cards and used them regularly.

Re: The U.S. Treasury is buying private app data to target and investigate people

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Failure to navigate a capitalist system of hoop-jumping due to lack of funds causes a self-fulfilling prophesy of poor performance at said hoop-jumping and associated poor credit scores. Blaming the victim comes to mind.

If I only pay my bills on time does my credit score go up in the US? Asking because I don't know, but if that is the case, not sure why you can call it 'hoop jumping'. I don't care for the credit companies, they're total scum. But I'm not sure how to do anything better.

Yep, that's all that's required for it, no hoops to jump through. The only catch is if you don't have any debt, you can't build credit, but it's pretty simple to get a credit card and pay it off every month.

Re: The U.S. Treasury is buying private app data to target and investigate people

#110
post #8

We need a Supreme Court ruling or law that says if the government doesn’t have a warrant to collect your data, they also can’t buy it from third parties. We also need privacy protections so these companies wouldn’t exist in the first place.

Why should dark web data brokers get to look at all of my nudes but not the Supreme Court?

Web data brokers can't legally kick in your door and kill everyone inside.
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