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Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by erect_hacker »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #21
Oddskar wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you overestimate the reputation of the US and underestimate how much it has rapidly declined the last decades. I also think you underestimate how much effort it takes to really start over and become properly integrated in a new country. It is a very enticing prospect for many to side-step this issue entirely and still get an almost unfathomable salary for some countries.

And I think you overestimate how much things have rapidly declined. Is the US's heyday in the past? Of course. It is on a decline. But if your entire lens of what is happening in the country is news channels and the Internet, you need a reality check. As Dave Chappelle said, Twitter is not a real place.

this is a terrible take. why comment at all?

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by ABeeSea »

bwb wrote: post #44
ctvo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the rest of Europe pays 80k.

Very fair salary, especially when you take into account they have real health care, real social safty nets, etc.

My annual max out of pocket cost for healthcare is $5,000. Once I pay the $5k, everything else for free for the rest of the year. How is that worth a $100-200K salary difference?

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by simonh »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #161

Except: - no country pay like the US. Worked for silicon valley companies remotely, and made twice the money I made in France, while being 3 times cheaper than local competition. - no country have the volume of hi-level coding gig job offers the US has. - few countries even have has many interesting projects. If you want to code in Haskell or Lisp in Europe, good luck. - the USA don't care about your diploma, only wh…

facebook is hiring 10,000 developers in the EU to build the Metaverse.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/facebook-plans-hire-10000...

My daughter is looking to go into software engineering and I was explaining to her that most of the high paying jobs are in the US and there's a big brain drain out of Europe (we're Brits). Not to dissuade her, but that she might consider that as an option on graduation. I was speculating why FAANG don't hire more developers in Europe to take advantage of the pay difference, and then the above story broke literally the next day.

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by mistrial9 »

Gene5ive wrote: post #167
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #161

Except: - no country pay like the US. Worked for silicon valley companies remotely, and made twice the money I made in France, while being 3 times cheaper than local competition. - no country have the volume of hi-level coding gig job offers the US has. - few countries even have has many interesting projects. If you want to code in Haskell or Lisp in Europe, good luck. - the USA don't care about your diploma, only wh…

Yeah, I've heard about a classist element in Europe that might make the path I took unlikely. I dropped out of college, toiled in the service industry for 10 years, got sick of it, went to code school, got a tech job and 6 years later earn $130k. Still no degree. Is it true you can't do that there or is that just a stereotype?

I started a conversation with a visiting EU PhD and asked about programming languages. In a very good smelling way, he avoided the question. Apparently it is "blue collar" work to do actual programming? This one PhD did zero actual programming, apparently.

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by ozim »

zcw100 wrote: post #138

Much ado about nothing. Developer jobs have been able to be outsourced and work remote for a couple of decades. If it was going to go that way it would have long ago. The rest of the world might be catching up to the remote work game but software development has been there, done that. If anything we've already experienced a pullback where outsourced developer jobs have been pulled back when they experienced the probl…

That was couple of decades of Cognizant or Infosys and likes of them getting contracts and selling their services from their offices.

Now it is the time to build real distributed teams where it is easier to hire a person from other part of the globe to be part of your team.

Working directly with them and not hiring bunch of warm bodies to dump trash tasks on them.

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

simonh wrote: post #203
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #161

Except: - no country pay like the US. Worked for silicon valley companies remotely, and made twice the money I made in France, while being 3 times cheaper than local competition. - no country have the volume of hi-level coding gig job offers the US has. - few countries even have has many interesting projects. If you want to code in Haskell or Lisp in Europe, good luck. - the USA don't care about your diploma, only wh…

facebook is hiring 10,000 developers in the EU to build the Metaverse. https://www.reuters.com/technology/facebook-plans-hire-10000... My daughter is looking to go into software engineering and I was explaining to her that most of the high paying jobs are in the US and there's a big brain drain out of Europe (we're Brits). Not to dissuade her, but that she might consider that as an option on graduation. I was specula…

That's pretty big news indeed, but I'll wait until it happens. For now it's just a plan, and I've heard so many plans.

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by thriftwy »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #161

Except: - no country pay like the US. Worked for silicon valley companies remotely, and made twice the money I made in France, while being 3 times cheaper than local competition. - no country have the volume of hi-level coding gig job offers the US has. - few countries even have has many interesting projects. If you want to code in Haskell or Lisp in Europe, good luck. - the USA don't care about your diploma, only wh…

USA is super expensive. Yes you can get a large paycheck, wait until you see house prices.

Also current situation does not inspire confidence in somebody who may be identified as white male.

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

mistrial9 wrote: post #204
Gene5ive wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I've heard about a classist element in Europe that might make the path I took unlikely. I dropped out of college, toiled in the service industry for 10 years, got sick of it, went to code school, got a tech job and 6 years later earn $130k. Still no degree. Is it true you can't do that there or is that just a stereotype?

I started a conversation with a visiting EU PhD and asked about programming languages. In a very good smelling way, he avoided the question. Apparently it is "blue collar" work to do actual programming? This one PhD did zero actual programming, apparently.

It's slowly changing, but yeah, coding is not considered a high status job here.

Now, it's better though, it's not considered a low status job anymore :)

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by tazjin »

twox2 wrote: post #174
a_t48 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No diploma here - still have recruiters from at least 3 of the 5 messaging me. Edit: downvoters, care to explain a little? Why would they waste their time on me if they weren't interested in me working there?

Do you / have you ever worked at one?

I used to work at Google/DeepMind and don't remember anyone even asking about it during the original interview process. (I did not go to uni)

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by emteycz »

Cyberdogs7 wrote: post #136
root_axis wrote: post #125

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Visas and similar restrictions are not a factor for remote work.

Yes, they are. Having an LLC based in Texas, trying to hiring a remote employee in NYC. I have to comply with all local NYC laws and taxes. Luckily it's a developer. If it was a sales person, it could make the whole company liable for income tax in New York state. Even worse when you talk international. An Amazon USA based employee is forbidden from working remotely in India, because of all the legal issues it would…

Why don't you hire them as a contractor?
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