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Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by coldtea »

galfarragem wrote: post #137
batushka3 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well actualy it is. In my own wery oldtown, there is a piece of palace remaining next to parking lot. All the submitions were nothing of rebuild, although plenty of historical data. Only glass, concrete and boxy shapes. Something is broken with architects in general.

It's complex. Imagine you inherit a COBOL codebase, would you expand it further or would you try to add a functional microservice in the language of the day? Ok, you can say: the codebase is not COBOL, is C and is beautifully done. However all architects studied Art History and Aesthetics, so, at least, they have a more informed opinion on what defines a good codebase than a layman. Probably we could give them the be…

>All architects studied Art History and Aesthetics, so at least they have an informed opinion

More like a hive-mind indoctrination on the legacy of tired modernism and its contemporary varieties.

Seeing an old building as COBOL - something not to be inspired from and immitate and continue to build similarly, but to rewrite and replace with something entirely else - is an example of that.

Better to see a Le Corbusier building as Brainfuck:

  ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++++.>+.+++++++
   ..+++.>++..+++.------.--------.>+.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by hairofadog »

colechristensen wrote: post #49
d--b wrote: post #35

So. Fucking. True. The state of architecture is a disaster. Ever since Adolf Loos wrote “ornament is crime”, architects have booed anything decorative. We get textures, sure. Oh boy do we get textures. We get all the woods, all the stones, all the 3d printed concrete. Sculpture? Hell, no… And no it’s not that expensive. When you build 234 park avenue, every apartment sells for $10m. maybe there is some of it that can…

Screw the ornamental stuff, when do we start getting different large-scale patterns in spaces to live and work? Long dark hallways filled with apartments where nobody knows each other or has any occasion to interact. Secluded offices vs. anxiety inducing planes of "open" disasters. Apartments designed to be a shrine to a television and a small bedroom with light only suitable for cave dwellers. The shape of spaces is…

I have long wanted to make a coffee-table book called Lonely Architectural Spaces, not because I enjoy them but because I'm fascinated by how big an impact they have on my mood and psyche.

Though it's a bad photograph, here's a recent car rental lobby I visited: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/aboxwithrocksinit/test-buc...

I worry about people who have to work in places like that.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by agent327 »

omosubi wrote: post #124
d--b wrote: post #40

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This is plain wrong. Hamburg’s philarmony cost 900 million euros to build. That’s an awful lot of money. Architects decide to spend on structure and texture instead of decor. And with today’s machines, we actually could make all these intricate details without human intervention.

I visited the elbharmonie and man that whole neighborhood is probably the most lifeless boring place in europe

Agreed. On the plus side, it has Miniatur Wunderland - arguably the best reason to visit Hamburg in the first place...

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by deltarholamda »

d--b wrote: post #35

So. Fucking. True. The state of architecture is a disaster. Ever since Adolf Loos wrote “ornament is crime”, architects have booed anything decorative. We get textures, sure. Oh boy do we get textures. We get all the woods, all the stones, all the 3d printed concrete. Sculpture? Hell, no… And no it’s not that expensive. When you build 234 park avenue, every apartment sells for $10m. maybe there is some of it that can…

There are multiple problems in the architect community. One is the marquee architects were all raised up in a post-war era where--some have argued--their designs are more influenced by PTSD than art. The brutalism of a modern building was certainly influenced by the materials--prestressed concrete and poured concrete, for example--but to put a stark and ugly face on a building requires a broken mind.

Those marquee architects influenced the later architects, who aren't as broken, but still want the cache. So they add "textures." Then, when CAD took off, it got even easier to do big boxes fast and cheap. The premier design software today, Revit, is so good at churning out box buildings.

We were able, through materials science, to increase vertical density at the cost of human scale structures. Lost is the recognition that buildings don't stand alone. They are a part of society, and the way buildings are designed and built reflect the society they are in, and they affect the society in which they are placed.

We don't build grand buildings anymore. What we build looks more like the box a building would come in. The interesting thing is, if cheap energy ever becomes scarce, all these lauded brutalist structures will become useless. While the stout, high-ceilinged brick and stone structures, with operable windows and lots of natural light will remain.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

colechristensen wrote: post #49
d--b wrote: post #35

So. Fucking. True. The state of architecture is a disaster. Ever since Adolf Loos wrote “ornament is crime”, architects have booed anything decorative. We get textures, sure. Oh boy do we get textures. We get all the woods, all the stones, all the 3d printed concrete. Sculpture? Hell, no… And no it’s not that expensive. When you build 234 park avenue, every apartment sells for $10m. maybe there is some of it that can…

Screw the ornamental stuff, when do we start getting different large-scale patterns in spaces to live and work? Long dark hallways filled with apartments where nobody knows each other or has any occasion to interact. Secluded offices vs. anxiety inducing planes of "open" disasters. Apartments designed to be a shrine to a television and a small bedroom with light only suitable for cave dwellers. The shape of spaces is…

My grandmother had a saying from when she and my grandpa moved around various Air Force bases: "the closer your neighbours, the less you want to know them"

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

abrowne wrote: post #123
galfarragem wrote: post #121

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Architect here. From my experience I would say completely the oposite, every intern is a Idris or at least a Haskell programmer. Architectural offices, soon or later, will make them Java programmers. COBOL programmers are the government authorities and the typical investor.

I remember reading that architects have one of the highest job dissatisfaction rates in the US. Which makes sense comparing the kinds of projects I saw the architecture students due in college with the architects I've met, whose excitement is designing the ductwork in strip-mall Target stores.

My uncle is an architect and he's desperately trying to retire. It's so obvious that he was only in it for the money.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by makerofspoons »

hairofadog wrote: post #142
colechristensen wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Screw the ornamental stuff, when do we start getting different large-scale patterns in spaces to live and work? Long dark hallways filled with apartments where nobody knows each other or has any occasion to interact. Secluded offices vs. anxiety inducing planes of "open" disasters. Apartments designed to be a shrine to a television and a small bedroom with light only suitable for cave dwellers. The shape of spaces is…

I have long wanted to make a coffee-table book called Lonely Architectural Spaces , not because I enjoy them but because I'm fascinated by how big an impact they have on my mood and psyche. Though it's a bad photograph, here's a recent car rental lobby I visited: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/aboxwithrocksinit/test-buc... I worry about people who have to work in places like that.

You might love "Liminal Spaces". There are a few blogs with collections of images, but I think my favorite place to view them is the subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/LiminalSpace/

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by galfarragem »

coldtea wrote: post #141
galfarragem wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's complex. Imagine you inherit a COBOL codebase, would you expand it further or would you try to add a functional microservice in the language of the day? Ok, you can say: the codebase is not COBOL, is C and is beautifully done. However all architects studied Art History and Aesthetics, so, at least, they have a more informed opinion on what defines a good codebase than a layman. Probably we could give them the be…

> All architects studied Art History and Aesthetics, so at least they have an informed opinion More like a hive-mind indoctrination on the legacy of tired modernism and its contemporary varieties. Seeing an old building as COBOL - something not to be inspired from and immitate and continue to build similarly, but to rewrite and replace with something entirely else - is an example of that. Better to see a Le Corbusier…

No architect would dare to touch a Brainfuck codebase :)

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Post by hairofadog »

makerofspoons wrote: post #147
hairofadog wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have long wanted to make a coffee-table book called Lonely Architectural Spaces , not because I enjoy them but because I'm fascinated by how big an impact they have on my mood and psyche. Though it's a bad photograph, here's a recent car rental lobby I visited: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/aboxwithrocksinit/test-buc... I worry about people who have to work in places like that.

You might love "Liminal Spaces". There are a few blogs with collections of images, but I think my favorite place to view them is the subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/LiminalSpace/

Wow, thanks! I did not know this was a thing!
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