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Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Or maybe you can do both, that's the reason behind the tool I'm building right now: https://www.channelsync.chat/ In this way you can mitigate #1 "the memory hole" and also the #2 "Google can’t see inside chats" while creating a mirrored forum version of the best content you have on Discord.

It's still in closed alpha right now. But I would love to know what you think about it.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Infinite scrolling on the threads combined with a very slow loading. A thread of 30 replies will not load everything, even though 30 replies is probably less than 1Mb of data.

On the desktop, it also hijacks standard browser shortcuts such as Ctrl+F.

IMO, that should not even be possible. Browsers need to start being user agents again.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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post #611

Or maybe you can do both, that's the reason behind the tool I'm building right now: https://www.channelsync.chat/ In this way you can mitigate #1 "the memory hole" and also the #2 "Google can’t see inside chats" while creating a mirrored forum version of the best content you have on Discord. It's still in closed alpha right now. But I would love to know what you think about it.

That's a pretty cool idea, can you choose which channels people can see while not being in the discord? You know why

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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I constantly run into this problem, I've used my google voice number for everything for years (yeah it's not a great move but very hard to migrate away from) and a frustrating number of services recently have been rejecting it for verification. I end up having to take the sim out of my laptop and put it in my PinePhone. It's such a hassle. This whole "you're not a human unless you have a phone number" thing sucks. Sa…

> I end up having to take the sim out of my laptop and put it in my PinePhone Just in case you are not aware, you can receive verification SMS on your laptop as well! On Windows 10 there is a built-in app simply called "Messaging" which shows you all the SMS received on that number. I'm sure something different exists for other OSes. This is what I do when asked for a verification number and there is absolutely no wa…

There are laptops with SIM card slots?

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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I run forums, I write forum software, I am pro forums. However I'd also add that it's important how to engage with a forum. My top tips: 1. Financially fund a forum, but have the enthusiasts run it so it is arms length but official. If you run it, spin it up as a distinct thing so that future independence is possible and easy. 2. Bless it fully, point everything you have at it and have your support staff answer quest…

I think #3 ("don't moderate away dissenting voices") is a pretty good line / tactic; it makes the community look more independent, instead of a "my product, my rules, I am absolute" community. I mean by all means be on staff, but stay out of forum politics - you are inherently biased towards e.g. criticism. Get some staff to help enforce rules / CoC / etc - if people are being dicks then ban them, but if they're prov…

Of course, that doesn't mean that you allow straying too much out of the topic. Competitor's product that does it better? That's for your improvement, don't shut off critics. Geopolitics? Well, you need to draw a reasonable line sooner or later.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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The biggest downside of Reddit is that it's so darn hard to find your own posts. The Reddit search seems completely broken for this, so you rely on DDG/Google etc. but this is far from perfect. I downloaded all my messages with some script, but that doesn't seem complete either since there are messages missing I'm *sure* I posted on Reddit. It's also not very convenient. Why do I want to find my own posts? Sometimes…

IMO if you write "at length" explaining something, copy that to your own blog or at the very least a markdown file on your own computer. Don't rely on a 3rd party site for archival. And this is where you find your own posts: https://www.reddit.com/user/SaveVideo/posts/ And comments: https://www.reddit.com/user/SaveVideo/comments/ Searching is crap, but it's Reddit so no news there =)

I usually save things (not just Reddit comments, also HN etc.), generally speaking the bar of what I publish on my site is higher than what I may write in a comment. Sometimes I get around to polishing stuff, sometimes not. Other times it's just too specific to really publish on my site.

Finding stuff in the chronological list takes forever.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Never ever ever ever give your phone number to Google for verification or authorization. People just don't understand how easy it is to find someone's phone number and then steal it for long enough to steal e.g. emails. Has happened, will happen etc. Like ssn, phone numbers were never made for this purpose. In fact phone numbers and services (e.g. SMS) are just the front end and are setup to be easy to redirect. We h…

Is it really that easy to steal a phone number and/or intercept SMS messages? Isn't the SIM supposed to hold all sorts of secrets to prevent that?

I don't think it's down to the SIM. It's more they call help at the phone company and say "hi I've lost my phone, number 0123123. Could you transfer it to my new handset with another SIM in." Or similar. I had my one (with Three UK) transferred to some random fraudster this year. I got it back but it was a pain and potentially dangerous. In fairness to Google they didn't manage to get in to that.

Suggestion to phone companies: When receiving such requests email and text the user saying "we've had a request to transfer your number, contact us if not you" rather than just cracking ahead.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post paid plans are credit. It’s allowing you to consume goods, then pay for them after the fact. Sure, it’s short term credit (sub 30 days), but it’s still credit.

I believe that grandparents point was that by not taking on any debt they don't have a credit score which can be verified. You can't verify something that doesn't exist in the first place.

I thought their complaint was that without a credit score, businesses don't see them as 'trustworthy'. The OP separated 'trust' from 'credit score', and says they shouldn't be conflated.

However since all of the OP's examples involved credit (car rental post-pay, phone usage post-pay, etc.) then in those cases trust===credit score. Without a credit score, you're basically asking someone to trust blindly that you'll pay back a debt since there's no track record of your ever paying back debts.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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I constantly run into this problem, I've used my google voice number for everything for years (yeah it's not a great move but very hard to migrate away from) and a frustrating number of services recently have been rejecting it for verification. I end up having to take the sim out of my laptop and put it in my PinePhone. It's such a hassle. This whole "you're not a human unless you have a phone number" thing sucks. Sa…

Just a couple of days ago, I signed in to a gmail account using the correct username and password. Gmail intercepted me and claimed to be worried that they couldn't recognize the device I was using. According to the flow, they wanted me to verify my identity in one of three ways: (1) I could verify the backup email address associated with the account; (2) if unable to do that, I could provide the 2FA code sent to tha…

> if unable to do that, I could provide the 2FA code sent to that same backup email address (how would I be able to know this without being able to know what the address was?)

Two options from the top of my head:

1. you have email forwarding configured so received mails will be delivered to another account. That's generally configured in the settings of the provider (I.e. directly under account settings in Gmail iirc)

2. You have a logged in device which receives mails through an application password. You cannot read it out because it's masked and even if you could, it wouldn't help you because it's only allowed to receive mails, not login.

I don't think this is particularly rare, honestly.

But yes, it is obnoxious.

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