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Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by presentation »

brianmcc wrote: post #29

I am sceptical. Reminds me of the predictions 20 years ago that outsourcing/offshoring would eliminate hands-on developer jobs in US/UK and other "expensive" countries. Timezones, language factors, cultural factors, retention and exclusivity challenges plus basic logistics stuff like payroll and taxes all matter a lot. None of that's insurmountable but it takes a level of effort that can be very high. And I say this…

I think it disrupts it in corners. I'm fully embracing it in the company I'm building, and several of my tech-startup-running friends are too, though I know plenty of people who aren't.

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by sparsely »

brianmcc wrote: post #29

I am sceptical. Reminds me of the predictions 20 years ago that outsourcing/offshoring would eliminate hands-on developer jobs in US/UK and other "expensive" countries. Timezones, language factors, cultural factors, retention and exclusivity challenges plus basic logistics stuff like payroll and taxes all matter a lot. None of that's insurmountable but it takes a level of effort that can be very high. And I say this…

The payroll, taxes, and labour laws are a big barrier at the moment. Even if you are happy hiring someone as an independent contractor to simplify the first two, how do you know that you aren't breaking local laws, e.g. about disguised employment? You still have to be familiar with local laws and regulations.

It seems like something that an intermediary could help with, and a few do exist, although they are pricey.

Simplification of regulations into a standard framework (without weakening them) would be a huge win here but I can't imagine that happening anytime soon, even in the EU, as labour laws are so sensitive.

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by avereveard »

Remote work come with sinchronization and communication costs, international remote work even more so.

it's not a given that an entirely remote workforce is more cost effective than a partial remote workforce - outsourcing has been there for decades after all, and it hasn't been an existential threat to local jobs - remote worker lack the middleman costs but also the organizational support and work structure.

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by bwb »

werdnapk wrote: post #42
bwb wrote: post #3

I find this a bit far fetched, with as many problems as the USA has it still has a solid reputation as a place you can come and make a new life with low corruption, a justice system, free speech, affordability, and on the local/state level a government/bureaucracy that still works. Same goes for Germany and countries that provide a high quality of life for their people. I understand the idea, but there is a reason pe…

Not sure how the rest of the world still views the USA, but as a Canadian the states no longer has a solid reputation for any of those things. The sad thing is that most Americans still believe they're #1 at almost everything.

Canadians who read the news and keep abreast of such things would have a bad view of things (as they should). But, the reality is the USA still has all these things even if cracks are appearing. Don't let the hype cycle and media's focus on the bad lose sight of the big picture. I wouldn't expect many Canadians are immigrating anyway as you are in the top 10 well governed countries globally.

Agreed, America's biggest problem is that 40% of Americans believe they are #1 at everything :). We should be stealing ideas left and right from other countries and instead we are stagnating under the belief that only we know how to do things.

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by DeathArrow »

bwb wrote: post #33
Oddskar wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know you are underestimating the rep of the USA outside of politics and the dysfunction I don’t really understand. Why would I disregard “the dysfunction”? That’s very much at the core of what shapes the rest of the worlds perception of the US. Agree on the second point though. It does (potentially) globalise the job market quite a bit.

Tons of people want to move to the USA for nature, stability, pay, freedom of expression, freedom of speech/religion/life, low corruption, house prices are low compared to many many places, mixing pot, opportunity, american dream etc... The power of the American narrative is huge. I know so many devs in Brazil who want to live to USA or Germany, as well as many other places. Those places have problems at a much highe…

>Tons of people want to move to the USA for nature, stability, pay, freedom of expression, freedom of speech/religion/life, low corruption, house prices are low compared to many many places, mixing pot, opportunity, american dream etc...

High level of crime, too much politics, education too expensive, healthcare too expensive, no public pension funds.

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by bamboozled »

bwb wrote: post #22
bamboozled wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m struggling with American “superiors” who won’t have a meeting in any time that isn’t perfect for them. If it’s not between 9:00-17:00, sorry, bad luck for everyone else.

Ya, poor leadership if they are not willing to use global teams and then lead them through example.

Reminds me a of a quote from "The Last Dance" [1]:

“If you ask all my teammates… ‘The one thing about Michael Jordan was he never asked me to do anything that he didn’t f*%king do.’”

[1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8420184/

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by guidovranken »

bamboozled wrote: post #2

Except a lot of places are “going back to work” and let’s be honest, timezones aren’t and probably will never be an easy problem to solve.

With regards to timezones, there are a bunch of software companies which are completely remote and global which operate fine. If employees have a fair amount of autonomy and/or work with their local teams, and have sync calls during mutually suitable time slots, there is no real impediment to operating a functional company.

Re: Remote work will break the US monopoly on global talent

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Post by zthrowaway »

AlexAltea wrote: post #38
JohnWhigham wrote: post #14

In the short term, I think it's going to be a lot harder than this article lets on, but long term, it is abundantly clear: cushy developer jobs in the US are on borrowed time. Salaries may continue to go up for a little while longer, but they will fall to reflect the rest of the world catching up with the US. And that's a scary prospect for those under 35 now. And I don't think there's a way out of it. We embrace rem…

I disagree, I don't see how the supply/demand ratio of talent will significantly change by remote work. Companies will pick from a larger pool of people. People will pick from a larger pool of companies.

This is a good point, the ratio increases both ways.
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