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The benefits of staying off social media

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Re: The benefits of staying off social media

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Not to dispute anything the article says, but a reminder: Hacker News is social media too. Which is fine! But I often see comments on here (typically under any article about Facebook) where the poster says they’ve deleted all social media and their life is much better for it, etc etc. No you haven’t because you’re still on here. No problem with that as long as you’re getting value from the time you spend here, but it…

I guess HN is social media, but I don't think it's the kind of social media the article is talking about. There's no social network involved in HN, no identity or personal branding (outside of dang) and the user-generated content is mostly comments on articles generated outside the site. I'm not arguing that it isn't social media, but then I guess the comments section of a blog is also social media by the same defini…

It's not social media. It can be used as social media.

Strong difference. The same way Minecraft is not social media, but it definitely can be used as social media.

Kind of annoying seeing people calling anything with an input box as "social media".

Re: The benefits of staying off social media

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I concur with your view. After taking a long break from social media, it becomes obvious what the issues are. Look at these and suggested posts for people wealthier, fitter, and presumably happier than myself. For some people, incessant exposure to that content is toxic. It makes me feel behind in life, and I feel better without constantly viewing it. When you doomscroll, it absolutely produces a positive feedback cy…

I don't question that social media isn't great, although 1990s me knows I don't need addictive algorithms to fritter away all my time online, so I tend to find those arguments a bit overblown. But I guess I'm just missing the gene that makes me compare myself to what I see online. Don't get me wrong, I've had my share of envy and jealousy throughout the course of my life. But I don't find that looking at my friends'…

Yeah, I'm the same way. When I see my friends doing well, I'm _happy_ for them, not envious.

Re: The benefits of staying off social media

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I would stay off social media too, as I did for years. I was a happy liberal. It was last year that changed my perspective. I found it was important to stay informed with channels outside of traditional media to know about politics, even though I had tried to stay away from politics or political news all my life. For instance, without social media, I wouldn't know that teachers in schools would tell my kids that they…

This entire post is the perfect example of why to stay off social media. Wow. You bought into some social media community hook, line and sinker.

Re: The benefits of staying off social media

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I hear this all the time I'm these discussions, but I call bunk. Sure, small talk is filler content, but you're not going to jump straight into the more meaningful conversations with people you don't yet know. The filler small talk content isn't the substance, it's the launching point for those more substantive conversations. For instance, maybe you got the hat at a concert in Wichita, and this person at the gas stat…

>But it's also totally fine to try to start a conversation with someone. I would agree (and really wish I could) if most people would recognize disinterest and stop there, but anecdotally I'd say half the time it's met with anger or some form of pointed dissatisfaction. People have outright touched me to get my attention about some off-hand comment I ignored initially. It's frequent enough where I'm conditioned to st…

> I would agree (and really wish I could) if most people would recognize disinterest and stop there,

For all the whinging about anti-social nerds, I've found the people most obtuse when it comes to social niceties to be the overtalkative that don't pick up on subtle cues that the person they are haranguing just wants to be left alone and get on with whatever they were involved in before they were so rudely interrupted.

No one owes anyone attention, particularly undivided.

Re: The benefits of staying off social media

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post #27

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I don't count HN as modern social media. For me, it's more akin to older phpBB boards and the like. We have no avatars, we come and go on posting, reading. We have only usernames and karma, and no one cares how much karma someone has. There's very little dopamine hit.

It seems like that should be true, but my observation is that HN causes similar stress in people. For example, "I'm so stressed out by all these new frameworks" is a frequent comment on HN. That's FOMO, that's keeping-up-with-the-Jones's, that's a negative reaction to social media.

I've been an active member of a particular, very popular, and long-running boating forum. It's been around years before facebook and twitter. FOMO, envy, and keeping-up are just as much a thing in the marine communities as they are on any social media platform, but the one key difference is consumption of info - that forum is compartmentalized. Subscription emails are a thing, but they're throttled. The format of the forums makes for slow, introspective consumption. I've been a member since 2005, but I only visit once a month.

I just think it's night and day different from the firehose that are modern social media.

Re: The benefits of staying off social media

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> Most of us consider (or used to consider; and I'm not even old) that enjoyable. Eh, I’m 50 years old and don’t really use social media (certainly not Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, twitter, etc.). I don’t even really text other people. But, I don’t agree with your sentiment. I’ve never understood people who want to have small talk with strangers. It is the opposite of enjoyable.

Someone complimented my hat in the subway today. I mentioned I got it back in Toronto, and we chatted about how disappointed we are in the Leafs. What is so unenjoyable about that? How can one spend 50 years on this earth and find human conversation, something we literally evolved to do, so uninviting? I just don't understand.

I can literally go weeks without speaking a word (I have), and I am totally comfortable with that. I would have made a great monk with a vow of silence. I am very comfortable in my own skin and don't need interaction with other people to maintain good and positive mental health.

Re: The benefits of staying off social media

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post #242

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What prevented Oracle, IBM et al to buy out Google, Facebook and Twitter ? Yahoo refused to buy Google.

AFAIK, Zuckerberg was systematically refusing ton sell. He wanted to keep the company.

Then new entrepreneurs can also refuse to sell to faangs. Parent asked who is going to stop faangs to buy competitors.

Re: The benefits of staying off social media

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I believe that many of you commenting here about the terrible dangers of social media's addictiveness and so forth more likely than not simply live in a bubble where you yourselves and the circles of people around you are unusually addicted to it.

I can spend a few minutes on Facebook or Instagram a few times a day and that's it, no problem leaving and few problems with self image anxiety because of some influenciar or other people's profiles. Most of my friends are more or less similar, and if they use their own social media profiles for anything more heavily, it's because of work obligations, but outside of those obligations, they simply don't qualify as addicted.

Of course, my own story may be coming from a different kind of bubble of its own, and after all it's no more than an anecdote, but I'd love to see a concrete, empirical study that shows just how many people out of a given population (broken down by age or demographic groups maybe) really do get emotionally crushed by social media addiction, and how many people are more or less casual about using it and don't take it too seriously. The harping and woeful lamenting that I keep seeing on HN (ironically full of people who benefited financially from and helped facilitate this very technology in their careers) about how social networks are creating an emotional wasteland is no substitute for real data.

All the above aside, the big social networks are indeed fully, empirically worthy of criticism for their endlessly parasitical scrounging for personal data and perpetual monetized surveillance of every person they can push into "engagement". This however doesn't necessarily mean that they're succeeding as much as some like to think at the mass emotional manipulation aspect. The two things need not strongly correlate.

After all, as many other seemingly contradictory comments on this same site have noted in the past, much of the ad and content suggestions that sites like FB or Insta push on people are often laughably off the mark at guessing interest or preference, yet at the same time, these same faulty algorithms somehow supposedly devastate the self images and belief systems of millions of people? So, which is it? It could be both, but that seems rather doubtful.

Re: The benefits of staying off social media

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post #242

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AFAIK, Zuckerberg was systematically refusing ton sell. He wanted to keep the company.

Then new entrepreneurs can also refuse to sell to faangs. Parent asked who is going to stop faangs to buy competitors.

Zuckerberg is outlier.

Re: The benefits of staying off social media

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post #90

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> Where people consider talking to someone a chore. This bit in particular really hit me. I've noticed a rising trend around the Internet (or maybe I was just blind to it before), mostly on Reddit, of people who really do seem to consider any sort of real-life social interaction a chore and an attack. I forget the exact context, I think the conversation that stood out to me was about someone in a gas station or somet…

>I forget the exact context, I think the conversation that stood out to me was about someone in a gas station or something, trying to make friendly conversation with another shopper next to them, along the lines of "oh that's a cool hat". And the consensus of the thread was "yeah that's awful, why would you do that, why are you subjecting them to the labor of talking to you" or such. This is kind of an American way o…

> Is complementing someone's hat really worth the potential anxiety?

I still remember the compliments one of my jackets got me 1, 4 and 6 years ago. That probably helped making it my favorite jacket, especially since those are the only non-family compliments I got in the past 10 years.

When you like something about someone, please make their year and compliment them on it.

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