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A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by CincinnatiMan »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #59
ksec wrote: post #25

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>Will it actually lead to more people choosing a MacBook than any other Laptop? With these prices I‘m not so sure. Not MacBook Pro, but MacBook Air. The MacBook Air starts at $999. And if anyone has been paying a little more attention one may discover MBA discount is unusually high compared to previous Intel MBA. Education MBA M1 are going at $899 and in some cases $799. The lowest retail discount on MBA goes down to…

That’s simply not true. MacBook air goes +$200 when you go 16GB from 8GB. And more when you move to 512GB disk from 256GB. These two are bare minimums for a laptop bought today I would say. So just because Apple shows $1000 for MacBook Air start price that’s underpowered even for today doesn’t make it a good purchase. And make no mistake - the 16GB (assuming you upgraded, of course right when you purchased) soon will…

I have the base model M1 MBA and it works great as far as performance goes. I don’t do any development work on it, just the typical stuff of internet browsing, looking at photos, some TV/movie watching. I remember at the time the consensus was that performance of 8gb on the M1 MBA was equivalent to 16gb on a Windows machine. Something to do with the architecture of the M1 making memory swap more efficient or something like that.

So I think you’re overstating the importance of 16gb and 512gb for the average consumer.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by eyelidlessness »

Havoc wrote: post #54
eyelidlessness wrote: post #32

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To be honest I’d buy a hypothetical fanless “MacBook Air Plus” with a modest M2 if only it supported 64 GB RAM. M1 is already significantly better than my 2019 16” MBP, and I’d much prefer the MBA’s thermals.

>To be honest I’d buy a hypothetical fanless “MacBook Air Plus” with a modest M2 if only it supported 64 GB RAM. Went this route with my home server. Pn50 in akasa A50 case...8 core zen2, 64gb, passive cooling, 3TB storage fits under couch. Can't quite compete with the guys running full rack home servers but in terms of self hosting it can do pretty much everything I need (big gotcha is not RAID friendly)

That’s cool (hopefully literally) but I’m definitely thinking of my daily driver semi-portable desktop and I’m definitely very much sticking with macOS.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by michaelmrose »

kube-system wrote: post #58
michaelmrose wrote: post #50

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This is a good data point for a short term sales trends regarding a new device that is a big upgrade for apple's existing market share. It does not in any fashion show that short term sales suggest that people who who used to buy 200-600 average PCs are now spending 1000 on macbooks. Macs biggest opportunity rests in flipping people who buy machines in the same price range from PC to Mac. It puts substantial pressure…

The Air is a year old model. But yes, it only competes with premium PCs. But, premium PCs aren’t useless if they only have 8GB RAM and 256GB SSDs, though. There are people who enjoy premium computers who have basic resource needs. Not all of them are developers or video editors.

New airs are being told today and probably will be well into 2022 so its odd to talk about it first being sold a year ago. The average lifespan of a PC is 6 years. It's doesn't seem to me that 8GB is enough even now with browsers and apps built on web tech being as hungry as they are. It certainly wont be enough in 2027 or 2028.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by kube-system »

michaelmrose wrote: post #63
kube-system wrote: post #58

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The Air is a year old model. But yes, it only competes with premium PCs. But, premium PCs aren’t useless if they only have 8GB RAM and 256GB SSDs, though. There are people who enjoy premium computers who have basic resource needs. Not all of them are developers or video editors.

New airs are being told today and probably will be well into 2022 so its odd to talk about it first being sold a year ago. The average lifespan of a PC is 6 years. It's doesn't seem to me that 8GB is enough even now with browsers and apps built on web tech being as hungry as they are. It certainly wont be enough in 2027 or 2028.

The reviews of base model Airs are generally very positive. I wouldn’t recommend one if it’s a tool you use for work, but it certainly loads Facebook, YouTube, TurboTax, Gmail, and all of the stuff normal people do just fine.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by bullen »

weatherlight wrote: post #28
bullen wrote: post #23

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Ok, have you had time to try it out?

It's great? it literally twice as fast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IQdSHNmoIo https://twitter.com/_kzr/status/1402636826578362368

15 sec instead of 30? Great? My tournaround is 200 microseconds on Jetson Nano.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by ksec »

michaelmrose wrote: post #51
ksec wrote: post #48

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And a Chromebook at #25 priced at $179. And that is at current MacBook Air price. There is no reason why a Macbook Air cant be $799, the same price as iPad Pro from a BOM cost prospective with same margin other than market positioning and segmentation. And most consumer dont actually care about spec. They want a computer that works. ( Actually most dont want one, they just have to buy one for different sort of reason…

There isn't a strong justification for pricing it so aggressively when this would drastically decrease their margin. They would be selling their profit to increase market share which is exactly the opposite of their usual strategy especially when demand is high and fab capacity at a premium. They might well be just trading in a higher profit for a lessor if they couldn't make more units than people would already buy…

Like I said, in the future time line. It is not "aggressive". It is the normal margin for Apple. Apple has kept their product margin relatively stable in the past decade. And I know their BOM cost by heart. The only situation where they dont go lower price is to introduce more features, mini LED, Pro Motion etc.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by ksec »

CincinnatiMan wrote: post #61
crossroadsguy wrote: post #59

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That’s simply not true. MacBook air goes +$200 when you go 16GB from 8GB. And more when you move to 512GB disk from 256GB. These two are bare minimums for a laptop bought today I would say. So just because Apple shows $1000 for MacBook Air start price that’s underpowered even for today doesn’t make it a good purchase. And make no mistake - the 16GB (assuming you upgraded, of course right when you purchased) soon will…

I have the base model M1 MBA and it works great as far as performance goes. I don’t do any development work on it, just the typical stuff of internet browsing, looking at photos, some TV/movie watching. I remember at the time the consensus was that performance of 8gb on the M1 MBA was equivalent to 16gb on a Windows machine. Something to do with the architecture of the M1 making memory swap more efficient or somethin…

>So I think you’re overstating the importance of 16gb and 512gb for the average consumer.

I dont think HN will ever understand anything about consumer market. Computing or not.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by michaelmrose »

kube-system wrote: post #64
michaelmrose wrote: post #63

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New airs are being told today and probably will be well into 2022 so its odd to talk about it first being sold a year ago. The average lifespan of a PC is 6 years. It's doesn't seem to me that 8GB is enough even now with browsers and apps built on web tech being as hungry as they are. It certainly wont be enough in 2027 or 2028.

The reviews of base model Airs are generally very positive. I wouldn’t recommend one if it’s a tool you use for work, but it certainly loads Facebook, YouTube, TurboTax, Gmail, and all of the stuff normal people do just fine.

I just opened 12 tabs including nytimes youtube slack youtube reddit and started a game. I'm now at 10GB. I'm not even using desktop apps for many things like slack spotify discord which would easily add GB.

If I only had 8GB changing from game to browser and back would require swapping NOW let alone further along the expected 6 year average lifespan. I think its safe to say that the trend has been that cheaper plentiful ram leads to applications that are more wasteful of it and that this trend is likely to continue.

The difference in costs between a 8GB and 16GB model is probably less than $20 bucks its not replaceable or up gradable so you can tell yourself that the M1 Macs start at less than 1000 even though the 999 model is a dog and kick them an extra $200 for the $20 upgrade.

This is called price bracketing. You are being manipulated and nickel and dimed by a multi multi billion dollar outfit.

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by kube-system »

michaelmrose wrote: post #68
kube-system wrote: post #64

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The reviews of base model Airs are generally very positive. I wouldn’t recommend one if it’s a tool you use for work, but it certainly loads Facebook, YouTube, TurboTax, Gmail, and all of the stuff normal people do just fine.

I just opened 12 tabs including nytimes youtube slack youtube reddit and started a game. I'm now at 10GB. I'm not even using desktop apps for many things like slack spotify discord which would easily add GB. If I only had 8GB changing from game to browser and back would require swapping NOW let alone further along the expected 6 year average lifespan. I think its safe to say that the trend has been that cheaper plent…

I understand price bracketing; I use that technique in my own products.

I know it's not always apparent when immersed in highly technical communities, but there are a significant number of people who use their computers very casually. Not people who sit at a computer for hours, but people who open their computer to go to a website. Plenty of entirely computer literate people simply don't use tabs unless they click on a link that is `target="_blank"`

Re: A look at power on the new M1 Max

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Post by michaelmrose »

kube-system wrote: post #69
michaelmrose wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just opened 12 tabs including nytimes youtube slack youtube reddit and started a game. I'm now at 10GB. I'm not even using desktop apps for many things like slack spotify discord which would easily add GB. If I only had 8GB changing from game to browser and back would require swapping NOW let alone further along the expected 6 year average lifespan. I think its safe to say that the trend has been that cheaper plent…

I understand price bracketing; I use that technique in my own products. I know it's not always apparent when immersed in highly technical communities, but there are a significant number of people who use their computers very casually. Not people who sit at a computer for hours, but people who open their computer to go to a website. Plenty of entirely computer literate people simply don't use tabs unless they click on…

So it's good for rich people who could be satisfied by a 12 year old dell but whom would like to display their status by spending 1000 to have the appropriate brand on the device they barely use?
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