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When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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This misses a big point: highly skilled craftsmanship will never again be affordable on an architectural scale. So we'll have it again when it can all be done by machine. It costs human lives to build a Notre Dame, both in deaths and in total lifespan output, and as for Sagrada Familia it's still not complete. We now value human life and labor too much to be able to afford it. I personally can't wait to have detailed…

Exactly. The tallest building in the world (Burj Khalifa) is built in an environment where labor has too much power and human life is too highly valued to build anything complex or ornate. Lol.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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The Neo-Andean architecture that has sprung up in Bolivia during Evo Morales’ Socialist presidency

The pictured room is an example of a building that's called a "cholet", a multi-use commercial/residential building built by members of the Aymara ethnic group. They're stores and event halls with residences on top. The event halls are frequently used for extravagant parties and closing business deals (often at the some time). The design, interior and exterior, is crazy-dramatic, but beautiful...and very deliberately a display of wealth and status. It's both capitalist as fuck and the result of a generation of Aymaras building their own city in El Alto.

The rest of this article has moments, but I just have trouble taking the writer seriously after reading that.

And the obligatory link in response to all the concept art: https://www.archdaily.com/346374/can-we-please-stop-drawing-...

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Just wanted to say thanks for posting this, I loved this article. I certainly disagreed with the author on many points, but it was joyful for me to think about my own aesthetic that has been shaped by our times, and also to see some of the beautiful architecture in the article. Can someone identify the first photo of classic Islamic architecture? I love that style of architecture and art, both intricate and detailed…

The Shah's Mosque (Masjid Shah), Isfahan, Iran.

This is part of the Naqshe'h Jahan ('The Design of the World') complex. Designed and built by Sufi Architects of Safavid Dynasty, the complex is a symbolic occult representation of 'the world'. The 'Shah' in question here is 'The King of the world', i.e. God. Opposite the mosque is 'The market'. Along the long axis of the square is 'The Palace' of the earthly king, and opposite of that is another (quite beautiful) "Royal Mosque" that was used by the king, God's vice-regent. In the center, the field was used for Polo, the game of kings, symbolic of the "quite serious" (per Rumi) cosmological 'game'.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=shah+mosque+isfahan&t=ffab&iax=ima...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naqsh-e_Jahan_Square

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq2Qsm4YfnY

[p.s. After the revolution, the regime rather ignorantly renamed the Shah's Mosque to Imam's Mosque, confusing the "Shah" in question with an earthly king.]

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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This argument is ridiculous:

Note: I have set aside for the purposes of this article the fact that our ugly buildings are all capitalistic megaprojects and thus we cannot change our design until we change our economic system.

There are plenty of beautiful buildings being built today. Just because the Pritzker Prize isn't awarded to them because the panel awarding this prize believes in hideous monstrosities doesn't mean that the only buildings being built are ugly.

Here are a few counter-examples, out of literally millions of new buildings being built around the world: https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/buildings-redefine..., all of which happen to be "capitalistic megaprojects!"

Also, neither here nor there, but I wonder if Nathan's writing this article because he fired all of his writers after they tried to unionize: "Yes, we were fired by the editor-in-chief of a socialist magazine for trying to start a worker co-op."

https://www.gawker.com/media/the-current-affair-at-current-a...

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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This argument is ridiculous: Note: I have set aside for the purposes of this article the fact that our ugly buildings are all capitalistic megaprojects and thus we cannot change our design until we change our economic system. There are plenty of beautiful buildings being built today. Just because the Pritzker Prize isn't awarded to them because the panel awarding this prize believes in hideous monstrosities doesn't m…

Your counter-examples appear to be yet more glass behemoths devoid of life or color

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hardly any new houses are built with flat roofs. That trend is mostly dead. Commercial buildings still have flat roofs because they need a place to mount stuff like HVAC and antennas.

I don’t know where you are but in Seattle almost every new house has some sort of boxy flat-roofed design

I've always assumed that the boxy things were more about maximizing saleable square footage and less about architecture. Also, "rooftop balcony" is a nice price adder!

I don't hate the boxy things, I just hate that there's nothing else being built in Seattle right now except boxy things. And they're not much to look at.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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This misses a big point: highly skilled craftsmanship will never again be affordable on an architectural scale. So we'll have it again when it can all be done by machine. It costs human lives to build a Notre Dame, both in deaths and in total lifespan output, and as for Sagrada Familia it's still not complete. We now value human life and labor too much to be able to afford it. I personally can't wait to have detailed…

Stone and wood is carved by machines quite easily. Sears used to churn out homes with loads of detail and mail them out wholesale to middle class folks. Those homes are now worth fortunes. We have terrible architecture for ideological reasons. Flat roofs are not signifincantly cheaper to build than pitched roofs, and far less adept at roofiness, but we got flat roofs from bauhaus philosophy. As with most modern art,…

I'm trying to pitch a flat section of roof on my house because it leaks. Flat roofs are sometimes flat because of too-low or badly-defined building height limits.

Boringness also probably comes from increasing numbers of people involved in approvals. Try getting some wild thing through public hearings and city councils. Much harder than a cube. The boringness is a feature, not a bug.

I bet there's a ton of other factors too, like the cited attention cost of detail.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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The author tends to make very simple logic fallacies in all of his articles. If we apply the same logic to video games or movies we would ask why aren't modern games any good? Its simple survivorship bias. He also uses the Prizker prize as the highest prestige award, I have never heard anyone ever mention it, and at best never remembered what some wealthy people's opinions were or think they were relevant.

I live in Illinois where JB Prizker is the governor, I went to a drafting school and was an architecture student in college so it shows how important the prize is. Good architecture wasn't ever monopolized by self appointed tastemakers, or how many or what awards it got, people liked what they liked despite what self anointed experts decided what they think is the best. You can look at other prizes that if by the cash prize is less prestigious but not at all similar in taste, meaning building design taste is not standardized and the assuption that all buildings headed by architects only building and copying Prizker prize winners is false. https://architectureprize.com/winners/2021.php

Building codes, materials avaliable, and standardization will cause buildings to have common characteristics, his examples are all designs that have survivorship bias from different cultures around the world and of course he had to mention how left wing he is, how the right is wrong, Trump for some reason and his own assumptions as facts and make everything political like this

>For many of the people who use these terms, they connote a vision that is ugly, fake, and deeply racist.

His articles are always childish and amateurish. He assumes that we need more modern buildings that conform to his own style, which is a deeply out of touch, privileged positon like the Prizker prize apointees and ignores the modern buildings in Singapore or Japan where they can afford such designs. Most people are going for cost efficiency with generic plans prefabs, sometimes green features (cutouts in large buildings exist at seemingly random points but they're sunlight related, and its only a consideration at scale) or just living in a mobile home of some kind due to soaring costs.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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So. Fucking. True. The state of architecture is a disaster. Ever since Adolf Loos wrote “ornament is crime”, architects have booed anything decorative. We get textures, sure. Oh boy do we get textures. We get all the woods, all the stones, all the 3d printed concrete. Sculpture? Hell, no… And no it’s not that expensive. When you build 234 park avenue, every apartment sells for $10m. maybe there is some of it that can…

Screw the ornamental stuff, when do we start getting different large-scale patterns in spaces to live and work?

Long dark hallways filled with apartments where nobody knows each other or has any occasion to interact. Secluded offices vs. anxiety inducing planes of "open" disasters. Apartments designed to be a shrine to a television and a small bedroom with light only suitable for cave dwellers.

The shape of spaces is important and shapes our quality of life. I would like to see a revolution in that much more than a different kinds of facade.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stone and wood is carved by machines quite easily. Sears used to churn out homes with loads of detail and mail them out wholesale to middle class folks. Those homes are now worth fortunes. We have terrible architecture for ideological reasons. Flat roofs are not signifincantly cheaper to build than pitched roofs, and far less adept at roofiness, but we got flat roofs from bauhaus philosophy. As with most modern art,…

I'm trying to pitch a flat section of roof on my house because it leaks. Flat roofs are sometimes flat because of too-low or badly-defined building height limits. Boringness also probably comes from increasing numbers of people involved in approvals. Try getting some wild thing through public hearings and city councils. Much harder than a cube. The boringness is a feature, not a bug. I bet there's a ton of other fact…

The way I see it, in Central Europe the reason for a flat roof on a single family home is mostly cost advantage (on short sight) or architectural.

Someone said: There are two types of flat roofs: Those that are leaky and those that are not leaky yet.

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