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The popularity of e-bikes isn’t slowing down

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Re: The popularity of e-bikes isn’t slowing down

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Not a criticism of e-bikes, but I discovered an unexpected danger related to e-bikes which was much less an issue with traditional bikes: when driving a car, it's now much more difficult to judge how much time you need to pass a bike. I would say without hyperbole that it's much more dangerous now, to the cars and the bikes. I currently live in a Dutch village, so bikes and cars share rather narrow roads. The roads a…

As a vaguely competent cyclist, cars have frequently pulled in way too soon after overtaking and cut me off, so ebikes are making the roads much safer.

Re: The popularity of e-bikes isn’t slowing down

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5 miles is a very easy bike commute, not sure what you're talking about. It's about 20 minutes each way.

It's a very easy bike commute for the kind of people who self-select as riding bicycles. General population would struggle. I used to bike commute twice that distance regularly and think that'd take me more like 25, maybe 30 now that I haven't done it for almost 2 years.

Funny thing about exercise is you get better at it, people who have had ebikes for a while (especially the ones that assist based on pedal power) tend to be less overweight and fitter for a reason. Also trikes work just fine for someone with mobility or balance problems (although a decent e trike is by no means cheap, similar up front to a second hand car).

I live in a city with mediocre to poor bike infrastructure at best, and I see plenty of 50-70 year old women doing 25km/h on ebikes or 10-15km/h on regular bikes.

Granted I wasn't overweight when I started, but after 5 years of largely being a couch potato and doing office work, I averaged around 20km/h or ~12mph door to door over a commute of 10 miles on a 40lb trike.

After getting fitter I'm about the same speed but a shower and change of clothes at the other end is optional now even on a 32C day rather than being drenched.

Your experience can only be due to bike hostile infrastructure or laws. If you had to stop three times for 2-5 minutes a piece at each intersection in a car while the empty lane for bikes and pedestrians got a green light on the off chance they showed up, you'd probably be complaining about how inconvenient driving was.

Re: The popularity of e-bikes isn’t slowing down

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5 miles is a very easy bike commute, not sure what you're talking about. It's about 20 minutes each way.

It's a very easy bike commute for the kind of people who self-select as riding bicycles. General population would struggle. I used to bike commute twice that distance regularly and think that'd take me more like 25, maybe 30 now that I haven't done it for almost 2 years.

That's what e-bikes are for.

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I hope that electric motor cycles will come down in cost and weight. A little faster than ebikes, and silent, but with all the safety features of a motorcycle. And registered. And requiring a license.

Outside of ABS, I cannot think of any safety features a motorcycle has. Maybe traction control if you’re really concerned. Even then, ABS and TC is still optional. You’re not getting forward collision warning or anything like that on two wheels. Certainly not airbags or a cage to protect you…

Headlights, Brake Lights, Indicators, Mirrors.

Re: The popularity of e-bikes isn’t slowing down

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I don't think children, or anybody without a drivers license should be allowed to ride on the road at all.

How do you think people under the age of 16 should get around? For some examples, if they want to go to a friend's house a mile or two away, or from their home to a train station, or to the supermarket.

They should ride on dedicated bike paths or the sidewalk.

Re: The popularity of e-bikes isn’t slowing down

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I don't think children, or anybody without a drivers license should be allowed to ride on the road at all.

That's ass-backwards. If you can't drive safely around children then you shouldn't be licensed to operate a 3-tonne death machine in residential areas.

What if the child doesn't know what a give way sign means? Or doesn't know what to do in a round about, or likes to run red lights to show off to their friends. Kids do dumb things sometimes and the road is a dangerous place to be.

Re: The popularity of e-bikes isn’t slowing down

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I strapped a no-name Chinese kW hub motor kit and a nice battery on a $100 steel mountain bike I grabbed off Craigslist. I've ridden in downpours, through snow and ice you name it. The bike kicks butt and was way cheaper than a car, not to mention quiet and super easy maintenance. I'm not surprised they're getting more popular. I hope small electric vehicles take over.

Tip for anyone else planning on doing a conversion, milesvp mentioned in a thread a few months ago that other parts of the bike may likely need to be upgraded as well (brakes, suspension, ect): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28270121

Re: The popularity of e-bikes isn’t slowing down

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> Proponents of efforts to make roads safer for cyclists have always gotten pushback from people who think that cycling is a niche hobby of rich lycra-clad yuppies. Which I think is misguided pushback btw (which I think you agree with based on the context). I see it as a chicken and egg thing. The roads are unsafe for bikers, so the only people who bike are those who are super dedicated to it. Then when people ask fo…

> Edit: to add on, bikes are like 1-2 orders of magnitude cheaper than cars too, both in upfront and ongoing costs also. It’s super unfortunate that it still gets the stereotype as a “rich white people” activity when it’s really so much more financially accessible than a car. Here’s a theory: road cycling is more available to those who live reasonably close to work and have time to spare, and that is relatively rich…

This might be different in the US, but here in Berlin access to cars correlates very strongly with income. The majority of below-median-income households don't have a car, whereas the top earners have several.

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Riding a motorcycle is easier than a bike. In a motorcycle there’s three evasive actions: brake, accelerate or swerve. On a bicycle there’s only two, and that lack of speed is exactly what causes some of the riskiest behaviors from motorists (e.g. close passing.)

I think it's charitable to say there are even two fully useful evasive actions on a bike. An absolutely tiny contact patch and low weight mean that there's simply not enough traction for any sort of aggressive change in direction or speed without ending up off the bike. What's pernicious about this is, that under normal circumstances most people won't have ridden a bike past these limits, maybe ever, so the first tim…

It depends on the bike though. I mountain bike with large soft tires, good suspensions, and low air pressure have quite a lot of grip compared to a road bike with tiny super hard tires. You can do a lot of crazy things. But I agree that the average commuter bike has low limits.

Re: The popularity of e-bikes isn’t slowing down

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As someone who lives in this part of the country and uses an ebike for nearly everything for the last 4 years, it can be pretty annoying. Especially when it's raining, as I'm going to get soaked and there's pretty much nothing I can do about it other than bring a change of clothes and find a place to warm up when I get to my destination. I use these to keep my hands warm while riding: https://cozywinters.com/shop/bar…

How do you ride safely on snow and ice, especially around traffic - one skid and the cyclist could be history.

Much like cars, studded tyres are available for bicycles too. It’s a marginal cost. Only hassle is changing them, if you want to use the same rims.
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