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When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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ACX had some good commentary on this in recent posts:

- https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/whither-tartaria

- https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/highlights-from-the-co...

Lots of potential discussions on why we're stuck with "ugly" modern architecture (is it due to materials/construction costs, environmental/safety regulation, architect's desires to be different...), and generally a more enjoyable piece than this one.

Plus there's a brief discussion on a hilarious conspiracy theory.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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This misses a big point: highly skilled craftsmanship will never again be affordable on an architectural scale. So we'll have it again when it can all be done by machine. It costs human lives to build a Notre Dame, both in deaths and in total lifespan output, and as for Sagrada Familia it's still not complete. We now value human life and labor too much to be able to afford it. I personally can't wait to have detailed…

> highly skilled craftsmanship will never again be affordable on an architectural scale Is that why those award-winning buildings look like that? Because the architects tried to make them cheaper? Is 'detail' requiring highly skilled craftsmanship the only way to make pleasant buildings? Because a few of the buildings (Venice and the Italian village) the article gives as examples of beauty have only the barest, simpl…

I think the statement you quote is incorrect.

Our society is quite capable of paying for artisans to restore the architectural splendors of earlier times, and does so. At the same time, expenditure on architecture for its own sake seems to have increased in the last decade or so, at least in centers of wealth (which, in modern times, is where non-utilitarian architecture has its first home, even if it likes to have a weekend place in the country.)

What has not happened is that, for the most part, the paymasters for the latter development have demonstrated little interest in adopting styles that demand highly skilled craftsmanship of the sort formerly valued (and still valued, apparently, so long as it dates to a previous era.) Today's vanity architecture reflects the values of those who commission it, rather than being a result of market prices for artisan work.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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I've seen enough revolution. I would be far more interested in an architectural counter-revolution, with the vendee marching on these modern monstrosities with pitch forks, torches and jackhammers.

Architectural revolutions come and go in steady cycles. This guy is of the post-modern school, which hates on the modern school. They do irrational nonsense just to make a point against rationalism. They post eg in /r/evilbuildings

Modernism hated art-noveau and previous such schools, like baroque, and esp. rokoko (late baroque), the typical l'art pour l'art extremist schools.

Nobody takes them too serious, so they get angry easily. And they usually work in US or British academia.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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This misses a big point: highly skilled craftsmanship will never again be affordable on an architectural scale. So we'll have it again when it can all be done by machine. It costs human lives to build a Notre Dame, both in deaths and in total lifespan output, and as for Sagrada Familia it's still not complete. We now value human life and labor too much to be able to afford it. I personally can't wait to have detailed…

Not every art deco beauty is forged in blood. Not like people need to die for you to stop installing drop cielings and beige cubicles. We've just decided as a society recently that we value spending the bare minimum. These old architectural works, even just from the 1900s-1940s, were from a different time, when property owners wanted to spend extra on making something look striking and remarkable. You don't see that line of thinking in business anymore. Imagine a CEO spending on some ornate HQ building with stonemasons and gold leaf, shareholders would fire them. You only see that level of grandeur today when the CEO founded and still is in control of the company and the shareholders can only sit and pout. Luxury buildings today come with the cheapest furnishings the developer could find on the wholesale marketplace.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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This misses a big point: highly skilled craftsmanship will never again be affordable on an architectural scale. So we'll have it again when it can all be done by machine. It costs human lives to build a Notre Dame, both in deaths and in total lifespan output, and as for Sagrada Familia it's still not complete. We now value human life and labor too much to be able to afford it. I personally can't wait to have detailed…

Um, 3d printing? Robotics? Computer aided design?

I suppose it is the lack of imagination of top-end architecture that these techniques, some of the hallmark technologies of our age, that there isn't a healthy market in their use in architecture.

The employment of these things all seems focused in mass production and cost reduction (which isn't a bad thing), and seems to ignore the possibilities that programmable manufacturing and production could have on architecture (which could push the state of the art).

It might also be that being an architect kinda sucks these days. Not enough jobs, and those jobs are paying worse, to cover the costs of schooling.

So there aren't the true geniuses anymore? Maybe it's just that the iron rule of finance has drained the budgets from every large scale project, and the ultra-rich are now no longer artistically inclined, they are either concerned with the magnitude of their fortune in numbers rather than edifices.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Standards and building codes, the same sorts of reasons cars, except for a few visual design points, all have the same basic shape and look. Organizations, as well as home buyers, also look for resaleability and the ability to repurpose spaces — odd, though beautiful buildings are thought to be hard to sell, and specialized spaces are considered long-term detriments. Contemporary architecture is a monument to bureaucrats and middle managers.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stone and wood is carved by machines quite easily. Sears used to churn out homes with loads of detail and mail them out wholesale to middle class folks. Those homes are now worth fortunes. We have terrible architecture for ideological reasons. Flat roofs are not signifincantly cheaper to build than pitched roofs, and far less adept at roofiness, but we got flat roofs from bauhaus philosophy. As with most modern art,…

> we got flat roofs from bauhaus philosophy. Not really. Frank Lloyd Wright was building with flat roofs a decade before the Bauhaus school even opened. But it was certainly an artistic endeavour and he’s a great example of somebody who had an adversarial relationship with pretty much everybody.

Besides the Larkin building (a factory), what did he build with predominantly flat roofs? I don't think there's a home he built prior to fallingwater that was anything close to what Bauhaus did.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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I agree with the sentiment of the article overall but this one sentence felt bizarrely out of place to me: > Here are a couple of works by the greatest architect who ever lived, Antoni Gaudí Really? Apart from the Sagrada Familia, the rest of his more famous works just comes off as weirdly whimsical at best, and discordantly unattractive at worst. It’s strange seeing such a definitive opinion given the grandeur of so…

When I visited Casa Mila ("La Pedrera"), one of the most striking things about it was how modern it seemed. It was commissioned in 1902 and finished in 1910. More than 100 years later, almost nothing about it felt dated (other than specific appliances), and several details felt as if they were still coming from the future.

I've had this feeling in some of Gaudi's other buildings, as if he was so far ahead of us that more than a century later, we have still not really caught up with his vision.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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I agree with the premise of the article but there’s also some survivorship bias at play. We know about (and don’t knock down) the particularly beautiful older buildings. If you go to New York City there’s beautiful stuff from the early 20th century (think Chrysler Building) and plenty of unremarkable stuff still standing (think pre-war walk ups). Maybe one in a hundred of the older buildings is remarkably beautiful.…

> We know about (and don’t knock down) the particularly beautiful older buildings.

We have lots of evidence from paintings and photographs that it's not just survivorship bias, that things have gotten on average uglier.

> If you go to New York City there’s beautiful stuff from the early 20th century (think Chrysler Building) and plenty of unremarkable stuff still standing (think pre-war walk ups).

Still more aesthetically pleasing than a large majority of what's built now.

> Maybe one in a hundred of the older buildings is remarkably beautiful.

Not being actively ugly is pretty good too and a great deal more common in older buildings than newer ones. There are many, many more neighbourhoods that people will travel to just to walk around and appreciate that were built before wWW2 than after, in every country that was developed before then, and almost all that weren't.

Re: When is the revolution in architecture coming?

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Just wanted to say thanks for posting this, I loved this article. I certainly disagreed with the author on many points, but it was joyful for me to think about my own aesthetic that has been shaped by our times, and also to see some of the beautiful architecture in the article.

Can someone identify the first photo of classic Islamic architecture? I love that style of architecture and art, both intricate and detailed while also always having a "mathematical" beauty at the same time.

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