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Just had this happen to me with my Microsoft/Minecraft account. I had migrated my mojang account 2 days ago and today I was told that apparently they "detected some activity that violates our Microsoft Services Agreement" and locked my account. They did not explain what the violation was and apparently it would magically go away if I verified my phone number (which they did not have before). Never doing any buissness…
>"Never doing any buissness with ms again." No github for you then ;)
Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
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Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#412This recurring discussion is very "This is the year for Linux on the desktop" Nobody wants to register on some random weird site, and figure that sites navigation, let alone their privacy/data policies. Discord/Reddit/Slack/etc... are easy to use. People are comfortable using them. They provide a more uniform experience across different servers/subreddits/etc...
The only people I see unironically talking about "the year of the Linux desktop" are people that talk about _other people_ supposedly proclaiming the year of the Linux desktop. "This recurring discussion reminds me of a decades-old strawman/dead meme" is not a good way to introduce any straight-faced argument.
> Nobody wants to register on some random weird site, and figure that sites navigation, let alone their privacy/data policies. Discord/Reddit/Slack/etc... are easy to use.
Why do you speak of Discord and Slack as if they were eternal, and that we were all taught to use them as surely as we learned our ABCs and cut up our food? At one time Discord and Slack were that "random weird site", and I'll note that for vast numbers of people outside of nerd and tech communities they still are. As for me, given a choice (and outside of work I do have one), I'd touch neither because I find them both to be terrible software.
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#413Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree and I've been wondering, why doesn't someone make something like a Discord/Discourse hybrid? Guilded has forum channels and yet it misses so many of the bells and whistles for moderation and discoverability that Discourse has. Basically, I want a Discord-type app, with it's UI and one login, and then blended with the Discourse forum power.
Are you imagining that the forum features are separate from the chat? I guess which aspects of discord would you like to merge with the forum concept? I'm working on a topical chat site where instead of servers/rooms, it's posts w/chatrooms. Curious to hear more in terms of how you envision a hybrid that would have appeal.
They have separate channel types, where one is a chat channel (like Discord and other chat groups: a linear chat stream) and another as a forum channel (that has unexpanded topics that when clicked show a linear chat stream, also able to pin certain topics to the top).
What I like about it is that I can find slack/discord/group text channels to really frustrate me when I've missed some things. Seems very hard to sometimes get caught up on what people are saying, often many conversations happening at the same time, and having to scroll back a lot to figure out where it began. Ah! That may be it, channels don't seem to have a start, so I find I try to search for the beginning and get overwhelmed trying to see how the conversation "started." Whereas with the post/topic style channel that most forums have, it's quite easy for me to see where the conversation started (at least where this branch of it did) and don't feel the stress to go all the way back.
FB seems to have a similar post/topic style organization, yet has the posts expanded so one doesn't just sees the title, sees the whole post, which can make it hard to scan to see which to read. HN seems to have a similar post/topic style organization, yet, as FB, lacks many of the forum features or doesn't seem to do them well, like sorting/searching/filtering/pinning/moderation/etc.
I basically kinda dream of Guilded but with faster development, doubled or tripled down focus on their forum channel, and a superpowered member directory.
> I'm working on a topical chat site
I checked it out and I like the look. Seems like HN or reddit in a way, but without the indented threads and just having a linear chat form. If a lot of people chat on each post, I think I may get similarly lost to Discord. I do have a few ideas that popped into my mind that excited me, please feel free to take them or leave them:
1) Embed the article/content directly in the post column? Not sure how technologically feasible/legal it'd be, but I'd love to have one site that brings content in reader mode and then having that chat column next to it, so that I could read and then comment in the same spot. I don't like clicking away and coming back, especially with the columnar setup, I think I'd love the full side-by-side.
2) Somehow limiting who can type in the chat column, maybe per article or per community or something. I think I've dreamed of having a place where I can watch 2 people chat, maybe 3. I think conversations can get quite diluted/convoluted with more people and I love the idea of just reading what two people think, especially ones I respect, especially who may have expertise on a specific topic. Maybe it could be less of a pure open-to-everyone chat, and maybe has separate 1-to-1 chats in there about the topic. I dunno. Something about me would love to see a 1-1 chat of you and your friend talking about Incubus, and then maybe a former Incubus person and another famous rocker talking about their reflection on this, etc. Perhaps this is too out there and not clear enough, not sure.
Anyway, would love to chat more with you on your endeavor if you'd like to :-)
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#414Format migration seems to me to be a key feature - the ability to lift ephemeral discussions into more permanent and deliberate mediums as required. Something like chat -> forum -> wiki, for example. Have set processes in place for determining when something can usefully be pushed upwards. Also encourage a culture of pointing to documentation /first/ to ensure the more permanent documents are well-maintained and robu…
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#415Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#416Please don't ask people to run non-free software to participate in your open source community. Many open source / free software enthusiasts are reluctant to use them, or flat out boycott them. What's more, you are putting your worthy community somewhere out of your control if you do this. Slack and Discord are not cool and do not make your project cool. They make your project unreachable , now and in the future (arch…
Maintainers should do exactly what they determine is best for them and the project. open-source puratism isn't a guiding principle for maintainers believe it or not. Running a discord allows maintainers to foster somewhat friendly relationships with users instead of purely transactional & functional relationships. Your comment comes off as entitled although I will concede that slack is not cool. Good day.
100% in agreement!
> open-source puratism isn't a guiding principle for maintainers believe it or not.
No, it's not, but in my experience, about 50% of the people who contribute code I want to merge avoid proprietary garbage whenever they can. Why increase the friction for them?
> Running a discord allows maintainers to foster somewhat friendly relationships with users instead of purely transactional & functional relationships.
There are plenty of options that aren't actively user hostile if you're of the opinion that real time chat is that important.
> Your comment comes off as entitled although I will concede that slack is not cool. Good day.
I'm not sure I got that from his, this needless insult did make me feel that way about yours though.
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#417I'd love for FOSS projects to avoid things like Discord but they choose free managed services for a reason. Unless someone wants to dedicate a fair amount of effort to running a forum, IRC channel(s), or other service it's a big ask of a bunch of part time contributors.
Running a forum is usually orthogonal to developing some software. It's a lot of extra effort for minimal benefit for a "community".
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#418I basically refuse to create accounts on random forums anymore. They've been the source of the vast majority of breached PIID for me over the course of my internet life because: - The software is usually poorly written - even the big guns. I helped maintain a vbulletin forum for years and oh my god is that codebase a disaster. It also for the longest time, if not still, stored passwords in plaintext in the database.…
And yes, my response to the number of forum breaches I've seen has indeed been to stop putting information on them -- that's exactly what I said. I stopped using them.
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#419I basically refuse to create accounts on random forums anymore. They've been the source of the vast majority of breached PIID for me over the course of my internet life because: - The software is usually poorly written - even the big guns. I helped maintain a vbulletin forum for years and oh my god is that codebase a disaster. It also for the longest time, if not still, stored passwords in plaintext in the database.…
It’s not extremely hard to set up SSO with the big (tech) providers like GitHub and Google. Would you be cool with “log in with google”?
There's effectively only a few SSO providers that are viable to use on most of the internet (google, github, microsoft mostly) and they're all attached to more personal information than the forums were to begin with.
I do really wish federated identity had gotten off the ground the way it was promised though. That would be a better world.
Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community
#420Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maintainers should do exactly what they determine is best for them and the project. open-source puratism isn't a guiding principle for maintainers believe it or not. Running a discord allows maintainers to foster somewhat friendly relationships with users instead of purely transactional & functional relationships. Your comment comes off as entitled although I will concede that slack is not cool. Good day.
> Maintainers should do exactly what they determine is best for them and the project. 100% in agreement! > open-source puratism isn't a guiding principle for maintainers believe it or not. No, it's not, but in my experience, about 50% of the people who contribute code I want to merge avoid proprietary garbage whenever they can. Why increase the friction for them? > Running a discord allows maintainers to foster somew…
Just a little joke, didn't mean it in a bad way.
> No, it's not, but in my experience, about 50% of the people who contribute code I want to merge avoid proprietary garbage whenever they can. Why increase the friction for them?
PR critical discussions stay on PR. Would be silly to have that discussion off platform if it pertains to an open PR. My point was more aimed at the claim that the historical record should be of any concern to the maintainer.
> There are plenty of options that aren't actively user hostile if you're of the opinion that real time chat is that important.
Discord without verification and without overzealous rules is a good in between. I make sure to not require verification for my project's discord because verification is needless friction when somebody wants to ask a question/advice. The off-platform chat needs to be as frictionless as possible. Other than that I don't see how else a discord can be user hostile.