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#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't that precisely what Telegram does? Unlike Facebook, they actually have all your data.
I trust Telegram with my data like I trust my wife with my credit card. So far Telegram, like the wife, has been responsible. I trust Whatsapp with my data like I trust 409 internet princes with my credit card. Their reputation precedes them.
I wouldnt trust my wife but I trust Telegram
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#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
Didn't XMPP originate with a single vendor? And JMAP? Didn't SMTP also originate in the field? Are you saying that the Matrix authors won't submit an RFC?
Speaking as Matrix project lead: we'd love to submit an RFC (or W3C proposal) once Matrix has sufficiently stabilised. Right now it's moving very fast though (e.g. we're about to totally change the sync API so that it's O(1) rather than O(N) with number of conversations). In terms of contributions to the Matrix spec; from a quick eyeball at https://spec.matrix.org/unstable/proposals/ , there are 95 different authors,…
We all know that 'independent matrix foundation' will never oppose the will of the leading vendor. Don't tell me about how you agree to everything in your wonderful community, tell me how you resolve conflicts?
You and your company has all the leverage and no sane independent developer will invest in your protocol because he'll always have to play the catch up game.
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#244This is a wise move - apart from the finances and steady revenue stream, Telegram is well aware that most channel owners already include "paid posts" and sponsor messages. As a channel owner, the biggest stumbling block is discoverability. Therefore, you contact big channel owners and request them to put up your post (or pay extra to pin it).
There's a cost involved - it depends on the number of subscriptions. Though, from my rough estimates, 1 in 5 subscribers end up getting it. There are detailed channel statistics that measure the impact of each post made.
I notice the discussion here is being done by most users, who don't have channels or not on Telegram either. There has been a gradual acceptance of Telegram here, which is vying for a serious social media alternative. WhatsApp plans to roll out "Communities" in response to Telegram channels. However, its ownership is nuclear waste.
They have several innovative features in pipeline. I use channel to relay video calling (I can record it and host unlimited users). The video calling has improved by leaps and bounds in past several weeks and has become a serious alternative to Facetime.
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
WhatsApp does that too now, even on the web. Signal has a desktop client as well (no web one, unfortunately) – I also haven't seen any hiccups there. Yes, this is 10 or 100 times more complicated to get right when using end-to-end encryption, but it's clearly doable, and Telegram has finally been proven wrong empirically about there being a dilemma of security vs. usability in messaging. Yes, they still lead the fiel…
How good is WA/Signal message search?
Without limited options for backup and cross-device migration, I don't use Signal for anything too important, so search is less important.
Whatsapp UI and search are OK but if you have a very long chat history then simple things like jumping to a specific date are difficult. I end up guessing a medium-to-rare search term and using the search history to jump back.
I'd much prefer having control of the data with simple export to my own device for my own search/analysis, but none of these apps do it.
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#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "because it's encrypted and more secure than WhatsApp". Sure, you'll find people believing and spreading misleading statements everywhere. Encrypted, compared to Whatsapp, is wrong. But secure? Sure. I much prefer governments getting access to my data via snooping than advertising companies being spoon fed my data with the intention of influencing my opinion.
Telegram does get access to your data, and them getting into advertisement is literally the topic of this discussion. As a result, governments aren't getting access to Telegram, advertisers are.
I think that you should read the fine article. It seems that you are assuming things that are incorrect.
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#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not all about Telegram is golden however. At some point last year, amidst the skyrocketing popularity of the app and WhatsApp coming under heat for various reasons, someone at Telegram thought of a fantastic (read: user-hostile) way to "increase engagement" - Show a persistent panel on the home screen with the name of every contact on your phone who uses Telegram, in the hopes that you would click one of them and eng…
Interesting, I've never seen that panel. Is it possible that they pushed that updated only to certain regions ?
You likely have more than 10 chats, in which case the panel does not appear. This is mentioned in the thread I linked above.
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
This will hopefully keep out bad actors (spammers, fraudsters). If they can afford doing this, good on them. Telegram is home to many cryptocurrency communities, the first thing I thought of when I saw this was that it's going to be heaven for phishers/fraudsters targeting those.
Can you point to some good bitcoin-centric communities in telegram please?
No, I don't use it, but at least some time ago when I was following it a bit more closely every new shitcoin/-token had Telegram as their primary communication channel.
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#249Here's hoping there will be a way to pay for no ads. But a question to HN: why have we not seen a mass-market adoption of a P2P, non-centralised messaging system that requires no external services to work? Mesh and other sorts of networks are cumbersome and have not reached mass-market adoption, so what (technically) is stopping a true E2E P2P platform?
I've been wondering the same thing for a while. The closest iteration of this I've come across so far is Session (https://getsession.org)
It routes messages through an Onion/TOR-like network of nodes that others volunteer to run. In return for running those nodes, they generate the Oxen cryptocurrency, similar to how mining Bitcoin works.
This way, it's not fully centralized like WhatsApp/Telegram/etc, but also solves the issues of devices directly communicating, like what happens when the app isn't running on the phone.
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#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the thing, though: Telegram cannot be intercepted by state actors. They are jurisdiction hopping to evade that responsibility. > Note that I live in a nation in which I support and trust my state. Given the above: Do you trust any state's government?
> They are jurisdiction hopping to evade that responsibility. From a technical perspective, whoever is running those servers can access the data. That aspect is far more important than the legal hurdles. > Given the above: Do you trust any state's government? Yes, my own. But I understand that not everybody has that privilege.
Er, sorry, I meant "every", because you don't trust yours with Telegram – you trust a more or less random one, depending on their jurisdiction hopping location of the day.