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Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by dragontamer »

jedberg wrote: post #70

Oh please do. This seems like the perfect time to bring this up: I had a piece of software that used Discord for support. They required that users be verified, which requires you to give you phone number to Discord. I gave them my Google Voice number, which is the only number I have, and they rejected it because they don't support VOIP numbers. I asked them if there was any other way to verify my identity. They told…

I have to imagine that most SWATTING is done using a VOIP number of some kind. No one would use their cell phone or land-line connected to their real identity (also: your real identity likely isn't physically located in the area you want to perform swatting. You wanna change your area-code to match the target)

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by mrd3v0 »

tester756 wrote: post #213
jraph wrote: post #182

Please don't ask people to run non-free software to participate in your open source community. Many open source / free software enthusiasts are reluctant to use them, or flat out boycott them. What's more, you are putting your worthy community somewhere out of your control if you do this. Slack and Discord are not cool and do not make your project cool. They make your project unreachable , now and in the future (arch…

>Discord are not cool In fact, it is. It is unparalleled in its segment, that's why I moved from all other VoIPs to it.

Element sounded better for me and my friends than Discord but it is hard to convince people to use it when the client is incredibly buggy on desktop and Android.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by riidom »

smusamashah wrote: post #218
DantesKite wrote: post #199

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I suspect you’re right. It just doesn’t exist. Discord and Slack both fulfill interesting niches, but everything else is composed of chewing gum and tape. The closest thing is Reddit, but it’s not great because subreddit names can be taken over and it’s hard to topple moderators that refuse to give up power.

If reddit is open source, can't we use reddit's software as a forum interface? Reddit is a great place for discussion chains which are visible and searchable.

that's lemmy.ml

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by tshaddox »

jraph wrote: post #208
slimsag wrote: post #203

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I agree with you. At the same time, people use GitHub and see no issue with it.

I definitely see an issue with this. Fortunately, at least GitHub is readable without running non-free code and is searchable. I guess you can also participate with one of those alternative clients. You are still not in control of your community, and I'd like this monopoly to vanish.

Discord is readable from a web browser just like GitHub is.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by RNCTX »

verve_rat wrote: post #235
ejj28 wrote: post #210

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If they want to boycott them, they can go ahead, but I consider Discord to be the best place to build a community right now and I don't think that free software purists have any right to demand that devs build their platforms on something like IRC (which in my personal opinion is inferior and a relic of the past) just because they don't like Discord or non-free software. And it doesn't matter if you can't archive or…

Why does every piece of software need a community? I don't want to be part of a "community" to use software, I just want to do the thing I set out to do.

Because if it's open source or aimed at developers in some way, it wasn't built for you. It was built for everyone. It works by everyone helping everyone else use it.

Maybe you should get out your credit card and call a commercial software vendor if you want personal attention?

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by errantspark »

kiklion wrote: post #245
errantspark wrote: post #82

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I constantly run into this problem, I've used my google voice number for everything for years (yeah it's not a great move but very hard to migrate away from) and a frustrating number of services recently have been rejecting it for verification. I end up having to take the sim out of my laptop and put it in my PinePhone. It's such a hassle. This whole "you're not a human unless you have a phone number" thing sucks. Sa…

I think this is completely different than having a credit score. I’ve never ‘needed’ a credit score unless I was requesting a line of credit. I’m which case a credit score is better than the alternative where I need to personally know someone that the lender already trusts and trusts their ability to trust other people. You don’t ‘need’ a credit score but if you want a line of credit then it’s good to have. Otherwise…

A credit score is used as a trustworthiness analog in arenas other than lending. For example renting a house or car, and some phone companies won't give you access to a post-paid plan, all of which can have a stratifying effect. The idea that because I don't take on debt that I am not trustworthy is wrong. I can pay a larger security deposit to offset risk, but often times that's not an option.

I've also heard tell of employers using credit checks to evaluate potential employees though I haven't researched that.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by lousken »

mrd3v0 wrote: post #252
tester756 wrote: post #213

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>Discord are not cool In fact, it is. It is unparalleled in its segment, that's why I moved from all other VoIPs to it.

Element sounded better for me and my friends than Discord but it is hard to convince people to use it when the client is incredibly buggy on desktop and Android.

I haven't had any issues on desktop with Element, but OLM decrypting errors and stuck messages do appear on android from time to time

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by julianlam »

coupdejarnac wrote: post #186
julianlam wrote: post #115

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Have you given NodeBB a try? It's comparable to Vanilla, Flarum, Discourse, etc. in terms of being newer entrants to the forum game. The concept of forums is solid (as evidenced by the articles I see here monthly, seemingly), we just need forums to work better with the devices and user flows we're accustomed to today. We've reached feature parity with older forum softwares years ago, and since then it's just been car…

Is there any documentation about creating an integration with nodebb? For example, I have a course on gumroad, and I want to give write access to nodebb based on if a user has a current subscription on gumroad.

Sure! Custom integrations are our bread and butter (free software kind of doesn't pay the bills otherwise!)

Shoot me an email at support@, and I'll give you some pointers. If you want us to do it, we can do that too.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by pavel_lishin »

novok wrote: post #189
ejj28 wrote: post #135

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Definitely, I agree that phone numbers are a flawed verification method. Something better needs to be created, but I can't think of anything that wouldn't have the same or different flaws.

Pay $5 via crypto, venmo, whatever to add a similar cost barrier. Make it separate from nitro.

I will abandon a piece of software before I pay five bucks to join their non-archivable support channel.

Re: Use forums rather than Slack/Discord to support developer community

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Post by tshaddox »

mulmen wrote: post #237
Gigachad wrote: post #204

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It needs to so that it can search on the backend and show you all instances of that search rather than just what the currently loaded DOM elements contain.

What if I want to search only currently loaded DOM elements?

Usually you repeat the search hotkey to activate the browser's native search function.
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