Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Telegram Ad Platform

promote.telegram.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

191–200 of 256 posts

Re: Telegram Ad Platform

#191

Post by capableweb »

tzekid wrote: post #124
coolspot wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that’s typical for a big platform - big ad agency relationship. These conditions are not for regular ad buyer, but for an agency that commits to the volume and re-sells it to businesses.

How about ad-agencies that sell "Telegram Ad-Space"? Wouldn't that be a workaround for the spammers?

My guess is that the agency providing a service to spammers wouldn't, as if Telegram figures out that they are letting spammers through the agency's checks, they can ban them and the agency would lose their deposit.

Re: Telegram Ad Platform

#192

Post by tallanvor »

dotancohen wrote: post #101
superasn wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes telegram is so much better than WA from a customer's point of view. The best thing I like about it is that it's an instant setup on every phone and doesn't require the Google backup integration which can take an hour to restore. Also the fact I can run it on multiple devices simultaneously is also kind of a big deal. Their API is also pretty amazing tbh. I wish all my friends were on tg instead of wa and i would…

> I wish all my friends were on tg Just send them all a message that you prefer to be contacted on Telegram now. That works surprisingly well, so many people are on the fence waiting for somebody else to make the first move.

So you expect them to care about your preferences, but you don't care about theirs? That seems pretty selfish.

Re: Telegram Ad Platform

#193

Post by whyoh »

lxgr wrote: post #175
whyoh wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>not domiciled in the west Its legal domicile is in the UK.

Aren't they the ones "jurisdiction shopping"/"domicile hopping" in a ridiculous game of cat and mouse with courts and authorities? I much prefer the model of e.g. Signal: Just don't store any data of your users that is none of your business to begin with.

Yeah, they mention various (sub-)companies: Telegram UK Holdings Ltd in England, Telegram Group Inc in the British Virgin Islands and Telegram FZ-LLC in Dubai. Source: https://telegram.org/privacy

Looking elsewhere I can find mention of other companies and domicile hopping, including an American LLC.

The main one seems to be in the British Virgin Islands right now. I don't know how much that's separate from the UK or if the one in the UK being only a sub-company exempts it from surveillance, but it's not something I would rely on for sure.

Re: Telegram Ad Platform

#194

Post by danlugo92 »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #59
captn3m0 wrote: post #7

The minimum spends look ridiculous. >To ensure and maintain high quality of ad content, a minimum advance payment of €2,000,000 is required to launch ads on the Telegram Ad Platform. >Of this payment, Telegram holds €1,000,000 as a deposit, and makes the remaining sum available to the advertiser to spend on displaying ads. >If the contract is terminated and the advertiser spent less than €10,000,000 on ads within the…

This will hopefully keep out bad actors (spammers, fraudsters). If they can afford doing this, good on them. Telegram is home to many cryptocurrency communities, the first thing I thought of when I saw this was that it's going to be heaven for phishers/fraudsters targeting those.

Can you point to some good bitcoin-centric communities in telegram please?

Re: Telegram Ad Platform

#195

Post by captn3m0 »

whyoh wrote: post #193
lxgr wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't they the ones "jurisdiction shopping"/"domicile hopping" in a ridiculous game of cat and mouse with courts and authorities? I much prefer the model of e.g. Signal: Just don't store any data of your users that is none of your business to begin with.

Yeah, they mention various (sub-)companies: Telegram UK Holdings Ltd in England, Telegram Group Inc in the British Virgin Islands and Telegram FZ-LLC in Dubai. Source: https://telegram.org/privacy Looking elsewhere I can find mention of other companies and domicile hopping, including an American LLC. The main one seems to be in the British Virgin Islands right now. I don't know how much that's separate from the UK or…

I checked the UK Registrar of companies and all the companies seem dissolved.

Re: Telegram Ad Platform

#197

Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

skinkestek wrote: post #171
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matrix is not a protocol, it's a product. Its openness is more like a public API to a product developed by one organization. Disclosure: I work with real open protocols.

Have you told this to the German Army and the French Police? Because they seem to like it and, based on my experience with the military being able to run it independently is a major consideration for them even for smaller systems.

So what? Selling to such organizations tells more about the salesmen skills than actual merits of a product. For example, a lot of bigger and even more important organizations use Slack or Microsoft Teams, because a product they are sold works and does what they need.

On-premise software is nothing new. But the fact that some software can run on-premise and can interoperate between instances does not mean that it is a protocol. Mattermost can do that, is it a federated protocol too?

Re: Telegram Ad Platform

#198

Post by dotancohen »

lxgr wrote: post #182
dotancohen wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Any Telegram users here? Telegram vs Whatsapp use today is sort of a Shibboleth. Those who only use Whatsapp are typically lax about privacy and security, whereas Telegram users typically take these thing seriously. So those who target the vulnerable are definitely focusing on Whatsapp right now. The self-selection is working very well in Telegram's favour, though that probably is just a happy side effect.

It definitely is a Shibboleth: Everybody recommending it to me so far has done so either due to usability (which I get) or "because it's encrypted and more secure than WhatsApp". The latter is a very good indicator of misplaced faith in shoddy news outlets propagating these claims uneditorialized.

  > "because it's encrypted and more secure than WhatsApp".
Sure, you'll find people believing and spreading misleading statements everywhere. Encrypted, compared to Whatsapp, is wrong. But secure? Sure. I much prefer governments getting access to my data via snooping than advertising companies being spoon fed my data with the intention of influencing my opinion.

Re: Telegram Ad Platform

#199

Post by dotancohen »

lxgr wrote: post #184
dotancohen wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot speak for everybody, but for me the lack of encryption - thus allowing state actors to intercept - is a far better trade off than the explicit sharing of data with advertisers. Note that I live in a nation in which I support and trust my state. Yet I do not trust advertisers and other entities who seek to influence my opinion. I'm sure that for those who live in states where the government is viewed as adver…

That's the thing, though: Telegram cannot be intercepted by state actors. They are jurisdiction hopping to evade that responsibility. > Note that I live in a nation in which I support and trust my state. Given the above: Do you trust any state's government?

  > They are jurisdiction hopping to evade that responsibility.
From a technical perspective, whoever is running those servers can access the data. That aspect is far more important than the legal hurdles.

  > Given the above: Do you trust any state's government?
Yes, my own. But I understand that not everybody has that privilege.

Re: Telegram Ad Platform

#200

Post by azangru »

lpcvoid wrote: post #139
0x38B wrote: post #11

Some answers and clarification on ads from Pavel Durov [1](Google Translate): “Many users have suggested introducing the ability to disable official advertisements on Telegram channels. Today we are announcing two more changes: 1. Users will be able to disable official advertisements. We have already started work on this new feature and look forward to launching it this month. It can be issued in the form of an inexp…

Wow, finally a company which takes money in return for services. Why is this such a seemingly outlandish thing for modern tech companies?

> Why is this such a seemingly outlandish thing for modern tech companies?

I'm sure over 95% of modern tech companies take money in return for their services.

Post reply on HN