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Whether you created entire country dividing conspiracies just to sell some Q-labeled coffee mugs to the followers, or promoting your next crypto service, Telegram is there
Its pretty much the best
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I'll be waiting on the sidelines. Telegram has grown way beyond what is sustainable by just the founder's funding. It has also managed to avoid government scrutiny and any legal oversight by running behind a web of proxies and servers. While that has served it well for growth, it can't scale forever as infrastructure costs catch up. My personal thesis has been to wait and watch as telegram is forced to either shut do…
> They tried to stay away from fiat by launching TRON but that got shut down, and now they're asking for money in euros. TON. Really not sure why the ended up shutting it down, but I wonder why they would not go directly with Bitcoin on Lightning instead of reinventing the wheel.
They were sued by the SEC: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2020-146
Telegram's communities are extremely lucrative Whether you created entire country dividing conspiracies just to sell some Q-labeled coffee mugs to the followers, or promoting your next crypto service, Telegram is there Its pretty much the best
- it came as a hidden message at the very end of the message timeline
- it broke unread count on many clients (since it was hidden, it was unread, and there were no notifications other than the unread count on the app's icon that wouldn't go away)
- the test messages ended with "how will it affect you/users?) and instead of leading a post with an answer, it simply dumped you in Pavel Durov's chat
- they looked exactly as any other message in the timeline with no indication it was an ad
Presumably all this will be fixed, but people are kinda pissed.
Here's hoping there will be a way to pay for no ads. But a question to HN: why have we not seen a mass-market adoption of a P2P, non-centralised messaging system that requires no external services to work? Mesh and other sorts of networks are cumbersome and have not reached mass-market adoption, so what (technically) is stopping a true E2E P2P platform?
Well I guess I won't be seeing any Taco Bell or LSD ads there: > Ads must not promote psychoactive substances, alcoholic beverages, tobacco products or fast food.
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Instagram started ads similarly though minimums were lower at around 300k or so. Essentially Telegram wants small number of big advertisers and is willing to accept lower CPM rate to make it worthwhile for those businesses. Telegram ad product and infra are probably not ready to scale right now so they decided to go with manual process. Probably already arranged a few big accounts prior to announcement.
how is this not anti-competetive behavior? it basically means small businesses have no chance, absolutely no chance at all, to advertise on the platforms
The FTC breaks down anti competition regulation into monopoly-related conduct, which this is obviously not because telegram is a complete non-factor in the messaging space, and horizontal conduct, which this is not because telegram has no near-peer companies with whom they agree not to compete.
Here's hoping there will be a way to pay for no ads. But a question to HN: why have we not seen a mass-market adoption of a P2P, non-centralised messaging system that requires no external services to work? Mesh and other sorts of networks are cumbersome and have not reached mass-market adoption, so what (technically) is stopping a true E2E P2P platform?
Matrix is working on a P2P system. Last update that I am aware of is the one here, but there are likely newer updates: https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p-2-p-matrix/ Personally, I would like to use Briar on my Tailscale network, but the lack of Briar desktop app and the need to build custom Briar app to support Tailscale interface is a blocker. Or, a self-hosted Signal app.
Telegram has the best messaging app by UX and it's not even close. It's fast, reliable and it just works.
Try getting your mother to use Matrix. Verifying sessions of chat participants is such a disgusting user experience I wonder if they employ /any/ graphic or UX designers.
I love the Telegram UX but have always been wary of its owner’s benevolence. They have bootstrapped an amazing platform and I hope they are able to get a strong ROI without compromising the great community they have built.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't be suspicious though, because Signal is a cautionary tale already (MobileCoin debacle and closed source server code).
I’m very curious to see if this is a success for the platform! It looks like a very not-creepy way to serve up ads. One thing concerns me though (if I were to ever end up wanting to advertise) - no external links! Giving the audience to the thing I’m advertising is most of the reason I’d spend money on an ad. I wonder what sorts of ads are useful if they’re text-only? They qualify no “external” links, so maybe you co…